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Category: Zillow.com (page 6 of 13)

Is Zillow.com shutting down? Could the media darling and incipient Double Jeopardy question be headed for the dead pool?

Not so much, despite a prank posting on the realty.bot’s forums:

Zillow will be shut down on Nov 2nd

Their revenue stream is in concert with the real estate market. They simply ran out of money.

Hence no price updates for over a month.

The Cluetrain runs on Saturdays in Seattle, so David Gibbons rushed in to quash the rumor (once I had asked for a comment, I should add):

OK, OK – Zillow is not shutting down.

Quite the contrary. I’m sorry that Zestimate updates are delayed – there’s a sticky post in the Zillow forum that explains this further. The short story is that we’re preparing for a massive update to Zestimates and data – and have had to freeze site data while that project is ongoing. I understand that it’s frustrating and ask for your patience for a little while longer.

Financially, the company is very healthy – but thanks for your concern. Yep, Homer; we did just raise a 3rd round of venture Capital – $30M – for a total of $89M to date. Ad sales at Zillow are better than expected – please remember to support our advertisers!

New data will be on the site shortly – and much more cool stuff will launch over the next 3 months. We’re not going anywhere.

The rumor was obvious bunk, but it’s cool that it shook some news loose from the Zillowtree.

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Will Zillow.com capture every MLS listing in Houston, the fourth largest metropolitan market in the United States?

From Houston RealNews:

The Houston Association of Realtors (HAR) may be a whisker away from providing listings data to real estate valuation site Zillow.com.

HAR Chairman Rob Cook released a statement today:

“Zillow receives four million visitors per month so we would certainly like to have our listings on the site…”

HAR already provides its listings to Realtor.com, Google [as noted in this HRN report], Homes.com and more.

So releasing them to Zillow would not be entirely unique.

If RE/Max and Keller Williams make deals with Zillow, they will have half of the MLS, nationwide, in two strokes of the pen. We are as excited as we are about the advent of FBS Systems’ flexmls system in Phoenix because Realtors on the ground need to deliver a convincing value proposition about searching for homes on our sites, rather than on national listing.bots.

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Zillow.com snares another $30 million in venture capital

VentureBeat:

Zillow, the controversial website that gives value estimates of people’s homes and other real estate info, has raised a significant $30 million of funding, despite the mortgage industry credit crunch.

The Seattle company has now raised a hefty $87 million in total funding during its short lifetime, making it one of the most richly backed of the new era of “Web 2.0″ Internet companies.

The round was led by Legg Mason Capital Management. Previous backers Benchmark Capital, Technology Crossover Ventures and PAR Capital all participated.

Opened in early 2005 by the founders of Expedia, Zillow started out as a portal for information about homes around the country. Over time, it has added on sales components for owners and real estate agents, and also provides a place for buyers to discuss or ask questions about a property.

Only last month, we reported that competitor site Redfin had landed $12 million in funding, led by Draper Fisher Jurvetson. Trulia, the other main player in the Web 2.0 real estate space, pulled in $10 million in May. Terabitz, started by a teenager, raised $10 million in July (our coverage).

Asked whether this most recent funding round has anything to do with the real estate slowdown, chief financial officer Spencer Rascoff told me that there was no relation. Rather, it had to do with the company’s focus on employing plenty of skilled developers and improving the site.

The country’s real estate troubles may indirectly benefit the Zillow, though; real estate agents desperate to sell homes are far more likely to post their offerings online, sacrificing some control in exchange for having more people see their properties.

Nota bene: Revised to reflect changes in VentureBeat’s story.

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Listings bulimia? While it is not yet ready to break the vicious cycle of bingeing and purging, Zillow.com is willing to nibble on your data feed to try to decide if it wants to eat it later

Zillow.com is getting ready to get ready to take listings data feeds. The X in XML stands for eXtensible, but Zillow and dynamism sleep at opposite ends of the bed. In any case, if you ready to get started getting ready to go, Zillow is prepared to think about undertaking those last few items of preparation. If you fail to plan, you’re planning to fail, but what happens if you fail to plan (to plan (to plan (to plan (…))))? It’s a problem. As the Melancholy Dane advises, “Get thee to a vomitoria!” When it comes to lunch and data feeds, “a double blessing is a double grace,” so to speak.

I haven’t looked at the specs yet, but I have PHP for feeds into Trulia, PropSmart and ZeeMaps. If your broker won’t support you, it may be I can help.

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Where can a good girl go to meet a skeezy divorced high school drop-out who works part-time at the public library?

Central Phoenix, of course, but your boy doesn’t actually work at the library, he just hangs out there from 9 am to 9 pm. This is from Zillow.com:

Central City residents are distinct from people in surrounding areas because:

  • A larger number did not complete high school.
  • A higher proportion of them are divorced males.
  • There’s a higher percentage of people who work in education, training, or library occupations.

Sorry, Zillovians, I just can’t get enough of this astute counter-marketing. Surprisingly enough, there have been no contributions to the neighborhood discussion fora. Maybe if Zillow offered free cigarettes — or booze — in exchange for real estate questions.

Here are some listings from this creepy neighborhood acrawl with divorced winos. The resident high school drop-outs can barely even get to six multiples of the median home value.

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Am I missing something? The NAR Experience.

Am I missing something?

At the moment, I am conventioned out, one tired buckaroo. So, I am playing hookie this evening and, undoubtedly, missing out on some life-changing announcement. “Zillow has made a $40 gazillion offer to purchase the San Diego Home Blog. Is Kris Berg in the audience?” Nope.

Last night, Noah Rosenblatt and I were briefly discussing the Great Divide that is the audience at Inman. In the far corner of the ring we have the geek-inclined or, more appropriately, the brokers, agents and other industry players who are giving their all to stay relevant and to evolve: To survive. In the other, we have the challengers who are retreating to the lobby after each session to debate the day’s hottest topics, such as how to spell Truliadotcom or, for that matter, how to open their web browser.

Who was NAR CEO Dale Stinton speaking to? The answer is “c”. None of the above. Or, maybe I’m just missing something.

Unlike Greg, I was impressed with Zillow‘s Rich Barton. Call his remarks an attempt at poetry or self-serving fluff, but this guy is trying. And, I sincerely believe that he believes that not only is the fabric of our industry changing, but the fabric of our world. He is smart and cunning, and attempting to lead the revolution. And he is amassing more wealth than I could hope to accumulate in 40 lifetimes doing what I (love to) do.

Then came Dale. Forgetting that his demeanor was the incarnation of the stereotypical, bureaucratic, myopic real estate agent image that has become our industry albatross, his big light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel, “I’m comin’, Beany-Boy!” message was that our Realtor dues would be increasing. Why?

He gave many examples of great new things that our dues would be underwriting. Since I am too lazy to go back and watch Inman TV, I will paraphrase. First, the BOARD (bow heads in reverence) has allocated funds to send Dale to “more of these kinds of events”. Great. I’m paying for Dale Stinton and me to go to Inman. Next, the BOARD (avert eyes in respect) has authorized vast amounts of our money Read more

How do you define a neighborhood? You don’t. How do you obtain neighborhood expertise? Go to neighborhood expert.

I’m quoting from David Gibbons from Zillow.com. He wrote these remarks in a comment, but I’m pulling them out because it’s an interesting topic: How can web-based vendors build databases of neighborhood expertise?

What you are seeing in the neighborhood space is the lack of any predefined neighborhood database. It’s never been done before and so, while there’s a great place to start when building a taxonomy of regions at any other level, neighborhoods are tough to build.

The 6,500 neighborhoods currently defined on Zillow were done by hand. We’ve talked this through with outside.in – they took the same approach. The solution is to allow homeowners to collaboratively describe their neighborhoods and we’ll iterate towards that but even homeowners seldom agree on neighborhood designations and boundaries. It’s an interesting problem to solve.

That’s what I said. This is me when Zillow 6 was released:

What does all this have to do with Zillow.com?

I think they’ve made a mistake in their approach to community building, a mistake that will prevent a true community from emerging from all their efforts.

As an example, what is a neighborhood? It’s not what Zillow says it is, and it’s not what some city council says it is. A neighborhood is what the neighbors say it is, and, as in my North Central Phoenix neighborhood, neighbors can differ about what the neighborhood really is.

So how should Zillow define the neighborhoods it hopes end-users will create content around?

It shouldn’t. It should let the users define the neighborhoods, and if there are different interpretations of what the neighborhood is, it should allow the proponents of those different ideas to create multiple competing neighborhood descriptions. When one starts to draw all the attention and the other fades away, Zillow can snuff the loser. Until then, the neighborhood advocates will have an investment in creating content for Zillow, and an avid interest in getting their friends to the site to show off what they have created.

In other words, they will have created a virtual analogue of their neighborhood as a means of defining and describing it. This is an atom-sized on-line community, an acorn from Read more

Inman Connect Grand Poobahthon: Stinton: ‘Freedom stinks worse than banks in real estate’; Singer: ‘The only trouble with the MLS is the MLS — and the agents’; Barton: ‘I have visions of gesticulating green-grocers, so that must be good for real estate’

I can’t think of any argument against oral presentations better than the stuff that comes out of the mouths of the people making them.

From InmanBlog, NAR CEO Dale Stinton says:

“If there ever was a case study for banks staying out of real estate it’s the subprime market.” He also said that the subprime situation is an example of the “inevitability of an open society,” “of going too far, too fast,” and “of liquidity in the marketplaces.”

See, it was the lenders who caused these problems, not the sacrosanct tax giveaways to homeowners and real estate investors. And god spare us all from an “an open society” (that is to say, not a police state) and “liquidity in the marketplaces” (money, that is). I’m thinking Stinton had to borrow extra feet from Glenn Kelman to put in his mouth.

Joel Singer, “president of real estate business services for the California Association of Realtors,” was not to be outdone:

“The brokerage industry to a large degree has ceded too much power to the agents. Once you have entrenched power … more importantly, once you have entrenched economic power — the economics are that the MLSs actually have more funding than the organized real estate itself — it becomes very difficult to overcome that.”

I think that says that the obstacle to MLS reform is posed by the MLS systems themselves, which leads me to expect a radical legislative intervention. If you’re a real estate licensee but not an brokerage owner or designated broker, hide your wallet.

But: The prize would seem to go to Zillow.com founder Rich Barton, who summoned forth this vision:

“I see an old-style marketplace formed, a city market like Pike Place Market. I actually dug up an old photo — Pike Place Market at the turn of the last century. People were gesticulating. People were buying things. People were gossiping. Negotiations were happening. Big billboards were advertising things above the marketplace. That’s the picture I have in my head.”

I think this is meant to be poetry — except poetry rhymes, scans and makes sense.

I’m sure Stinton is not an actual Commissar, despite his derision of Read more

Zillow.com takes on BloodhoundBlog, attempting to crush The Future Of Real Estate Marketing in the process

In a move that is either inspired or incredibly stoopid, Zillow.com will this afternoon launch a brand new group weblog devoted to real estate technology issues. This of course is a large part of the content of BloodhoundBlog and it is the entire focus of The Future Of Real Estate Marketing. The new weblog, called GeekEstate Blog, will draw its contributions from a cadre of real estate technology vendors. Presumably this will be pleasing to the foxes. The hens? Not so much.

From the Zillow Blog (this text is extracted from a pre-launch press release):

As much as the real estate industry is based on people-to-people contact, there is no denying that technology is becoming ever more crucial for real estate professionals as a way to reach consumers and each other. With this in mind, we are proud today to announce the launch of a new technology blog that Zillow has founded — GeekEstate Blog!

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GeekEstate Blog is a multi-author format and is launching with seven contributors. Our kickoff team of regular contributors includes Michael Price from MLPodcast, Matt Dunlap from Realivent, Damon Pace from Incredible Agent, Brendan King from Point2, WordPress designer Cory Miller, and Steve Jagger from Ubertor. I’ll [Drew Meyers] be the seventh contributor rounding out this group.

I happen to think Steve Jagger is a nice guy, as is Mike Price. Jay Thompson likes Point2. Even so, what we have is a union of fairly low-tech tech vendors, none of whom is going to issue a discouraging word about one of the others’ products, nor about Zillow.com. INTJs like Drew Meyers might say something interestingly impolitic from time to time, but the rest of these guys got the windowed offices because they know how to tailor a response to the demands of their marketing. In other words, if you’re looking for independent balls-to-the-wall analysis, it won’t be at the GeekEstate Blog.

Nota bene:

Zillow will play an administrative role on this blog and keep the wheels turning. We’ll also occasionally provide our own insight based on our understanding of real estate technology. Lastly, we’ll head up the process of recruiting other bloggers as Read more

Cyberhomes vs. Zillow – Dueling Valuation Tools for Your San Diego Home

For the uninitiated, the title is a bad joke. Moving on…

At our most recent office meeting, between the property pitches and the vendor pitches, our office manager promoted our company’s new affiliation with Cyberhomes. Now, being too lazy to do a site search this morning, Cyberhomes has undoubtedly been talked about ad nauseam here. And, as I have confessed many times lately, I have been too time-challenged to be the good little feed reader “reader” I should be of late, so the subject of Cyberhomes has probably been beat to death elsewhere. That’s the beauty of ignorance – I will barrel bravely ahead.

Prudential California Realty is in Beta with their Cyberhomes affiliation. For now, a home valuation feature has been added to the Prudential website but, ultimately the feature will be included in all individual agent pages. It is being promoted to us as superior to Zillow in that (according to our office manager) it incorporates “MLS data as well as public records”. I found this confusing. Aren’t MLS sales ultimately a matter of public record and, therefore, inherent in the Zillow model as well? With the help of a colleague, we stumbled on what he meant.

My colleague and I decided to play a little Zillow. In our version of investigative reporting, we proceeded to embark on some exhaustive comparative analysis. By exhaustive, I mean, we decided to look up the value of both of our own homes on both Zillow and Cyberhomes. Elbow to elbow, armed with dueling computers, undaunted by the challenges which might lay ahead, we Searched.

In each case, our homes were valued approximately $150,000 lower on Cyberhomes than on Zillow. Bummer. Being blessed with the keen eye for detail, we suddenly realized that we live in the same subdivision and in the same model, one block apart. Where scientific method is concerned, we are the Suxors. What about a different neighborhood? I threw out the address of an active listing I have a mile away. Ready, set, show us the money! His “Zestimate” returned a number in the ballpark while my CyberValue (back off, I’m copyrighting that) Read more

Zillow.com’s wacky no-one-owns-a-wiki policy promotes no one’s name, brand or image — except its own

This is Drew Meyers from Zillow commenting on a post last week:

Please note the real estate guide (which is a wiki) is VERY different than a blog. Since wikis are collaborative, no one person “owns” any of the content.

That turns out to be not quite true.

Zillow Blog featured two of my wiki contributions yesterday. Both had been clobbered, if that’s the past tense of collaboration. No mention of me in the idyllic land of wiki, even though both ideas are very good — and no one at Zillow came up with them. Even so, guess who was promoted in the wacky world of no-one-owns-a-wiki.

Oh, yes, Zillow.com happily promotes itself on the sweat of my labor. What genius! Who ever thought of such things? That Zillow, boy howdy!, you gotta get up purty damn early…

Nice. They stand on the shoulders of giants. They just bury them in dirt so it looks like a hilltop. To top it all off, guess who’s going to profit from the inbound links?

Here are the unmolested — er, un-wiki-perfected — original articles, if that matters:

I think this is a good example of how Zillow’s hoped for social networking scheme is self-defeating. It’s understandable that they would want to keep their pseudo-encyclopedia free of spamvertising. This they could achieve simply by accepting or rejecting submissions. But my only incentive for coming up with and sharing good real estate ideas is to promote my own name, brand and image. Why would I do that if I know that my hard work is going to be expropriated?

This is just dumb on Zillow’s part. I’ll have a lot more ideas. But I won’t be sharing them with Zillow.com and it’s sticky-fingered wiki. I think Wikipedia is an amazing accomplishment, but I don’t care what Jimbo Wales thinks a wiki should be like over there. I don’t write for Read more

What might make the idea of community work on Zillow.com? The individual autonomy we have learned to expect on the internet

We live and work right on the Arizona Canal in North Central Phoenix. North Central is a nebulous geographical region. Properly speaking, it runs from Seventh Street to Seventh Avenue, Missouri Street to the Canal. Within those boundaries, you will find some of the most prosperous and powerful people in the city — two categories from which we are more than amply excluded.

People living as far east as 16th Street and as far west as 19th Avenue might claim to live in North Central, and it would be considered churlish to contradict them. But this courtesy would not be extended to anyone living north of the Arizona Canal. North of the Canal is Sunnyslope, one of the worst neighborhoods in Phoenix.

What’s the difference? About $150,000 right now. In other words, the house you could buy just north of the Canal for $250,000 would cost you at least $400,000 if you were to buy it just south of the Canal. Location, location, location.

Now suppose you have joyfully paid that price premium to own, use, enjoy and profit from a home in North Central. If you went to your neighborhood page on Zillow.com, what might you not want to see?

I added the highlighting, just to put a finer point on the slur. In fact, this is just the kind of ham-handed stupidity you would expect from a robo-bartender, which, if you think about it, is one of the bogus roles a social network can take on.

Full disclosure: I am a social networking skeptic. The youthful fetish clubs are immensely popular with people who are determined to stay forever young. The commerce-oriented sites are full of self-promoters, every bit as interesting as the Friday morning business card exchange at the Denny’s over by the freeway. It could be there is something else I’m missing, but I’m not predisposed to care.

The truth is, I’m an introvert, as are many smart, technically-oriented people. My skin doesn’t actually crawl when I’m around other people, but my social interactions are always project-focused, and I’ve never been to a party that I didn’t want to leave before I got Read more

Zillow.com to launch Realtor rating system

From John Cook’s Venture Blog:

As an investor and board member at Avvo, I asked [Zillow.com’s Rich Barton] when Zillow might roll out an online rating system for real estate agents. That idea is in the works, with Barton saying that the company also is trying to develop ways for consumers to search for agents based on specific criteria. Stay tuned…

First we’ll milk ’em for free content as the only persistent members of our “community.” Then we’ll sell ’em astoundingly low-yield advertising. Then we’ll get anonymous misanthropes to write poison-pen letters about them. That sounds like a plan…

Am I missing something, or is this evidence of an unbounded cluelessness?

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Zillow.com’s latest release me-too’s Trulia.com’s recent me-too release: Can either make the leap from ghost-town to community?

With its Z6 software release, which goes live tonight, Zillow.com adds a neighborhood level of user conversations, similar to Trulia.com’s Trulia Voices feature released in May of this year.

From Zillow’s press release:

Real estate Web site Zillow.com today added a number of new community features, opening up the site even further to user contributions. Chief among these additions are individual neighborhood pages in more than 130 U.S. cities (more than 6,500 neighborhoods in all). The pages are seeded with rich local demographic and real estate information, but are built for communities and neighbors to make their own. Anyone within a community has the ability to add photos, events, local news, engage in discussions and ask or answer questions about neighborhood real estate.

“Adding the ability for neighbors to meet, share information and learn about their local neighborhood is a natural next step for Zillow. We started with individual Web pages and Home Q&A for more than 70 million homes, and today we’re bringing the conversation out to the neighborhood level,” said Lloyd Frink, Zillow president. “In the offline world, conversations happen all the time around homes, neighborhoods and communities. With these additions, we’re adding the data, tools and a platform for these conversations to thrive online — and help people become smarter about real estate, for free, in the process.”

Neighborhoods are accessed from any of the 70 million Home Details pages within Zillow, or via the “local real estate” link at the bottom of every Zillow page.

There’s more, but we’ll come back to it.

First: Is this a surprise to anyone? The new features were accidentally pre-announced last week in an inadvertently transmitted email. I understood the portent of that email, as I’m sure did everyone else in the RE.net who got it: Responding to Trulia was Zillow’s obvious next move, and they’re fairly steady at doing major upgrades once a quarter. The only real surprise was that the hermetically-sealed start-up actually leaked something.

But could it be that Zillow and Trulia are stuck in a tennis volley of answering each other’s features? Truila Voices was the loud claim from the Read more