“Interested” wrote:
What would be the disadvantage of listing a home with a Realtor who charges a flat fee based on services provided?
Brian Brady responded:
I’d like to take stab at this question:
It’s economics. There is a school of thought that suggests that Realtors are clerks; some are. It has been my experience (as a Lender working with Realtors) that you really do pay for pricing expertise when you hire a Realtor. If you hire a Realtor for a flat fee, it may remove the incentive she may have to negotiate upwards.
I have been a fan of incentive-based compensation that would actually raise the net fee to the Realtor if pricing and timing points were met.
http://activerain.com/blogsview/22686/Pay-For-Performance-AIf you’re selling your home to your cousin, you don’t really need a Realtor; you could hire a real estate attorney to insure that the state disclosures have been met, and contracts are compliant with state laws. Just accept the fact that you really didn’t try to get the “best price”.
There really is only one way to get accurate pricing and that is from a Realtor who knows the local market.
I liked Brian’s response so much I posted it here – instead of leaving it in the comments section.
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Then “allen greenspan” wrote:
So let me get it right. If I don’t believe realtors are worth 30k + to sell my home, and if I sell my home myself (like I have several times) then I am making the world a bad place? Do I follow your logic? Saving myself 30k dollars = breeding hate and contempt.In that long list of tasks you do for your clients can be done by anyone with an ink jet printer and a telephone number of an escrow agent. But we don’t want the public to know that! Why does the Justice Department say that NAR is the last Cartel? their words not mine, is the justice department breeding hate or breaking up a cartel?
Yes. The Justice Department (along with the FTC) IS breeding hate. That is exactly what they are doing. I really don’t give a crap who you list your home with or how much they charge you. If you can sell it yourself, more power to you – and no I do not believe you (or anyone else) is doing something “bad” by getting a lower fee or selecting any Realtor or any method of your choosing to get your home sold.
For a division of the United States government to allege some sort of Realtor price fixing in an industry that is so overloaded with competition that it almost defies belief IS breading hate and contempt. Its simple, the individuals at DOJ and the FTC directly responsible have antisocial tendencies. They aren’t “protecting” anybody from anything with regard to Realtors – there isn’t anything to “protect” the public from.
The very fact that the NAR has to litigate this issue at all says there is at least ONE person at the FTC or DOJ who IS an antisocial type.
Please don’t think I am in love with everything the NAR is doing. But if the NAR is “doing something bad” then Justice and the FTC need to get right on this one: H.R. 111, the Community Choice in Real Estate Act. They need to investigate the 110th Congress and all the fine folks who signed off on this bill. Here is the background on the bill from NAR. I guess it is okay for a Realtor to be a loan officer but not for a bank to be a Realtor. That is just “anti-competitive”. My God, if big banks got into the real estate business they could just take over the industry! What would prevent them from offering a low fee (or even free, no cost) listing to their client in order to get the loan? Nothing is the correct answer. Nothing would prevent them from doing that. So naturally, the bill is called the “Community Choice in Real Estate Act” instead of the real point – KEEP BIG BANKS OUT OF REAL ESTATE. Somebody want to see something wrong? Look THERE!
But that is the American Way. Buy influence. Too bad it is for sale.
I say let big banks or anybody else who wants into the real estate business get in the real estate business. I don’t see that big banks do that great a job of running big banks – and the ONLY thing they have as a weapon is LOADS OF MONEY. Endless truckloads of money to throw at the problem. Right now they use “secret sites” like this to try to sway congress and public opinion. Like that site, their “PR handlings” are mostly stupid – even the “hearings” with the ever lovely Mike Oxley (now retired). I don’t know that Bank of America actually paid him – but if anyone ever looked and acted exactly like a paid whore it was Mike Oxley.
I think federal regulation of our industry would be horrible but letting the market decide which companies they wanted to do business with – I think that idea is wonderful. How is this for an idea? Let the banks in. What if the Realtor community DID shrink by 80%? Is there really anyone (who doesn’t get their money from “association dues”) who is loosing sleep over the idea that there would only be 200,000 – 300,000 Realtors in the United States? And as I personally find the folks who complain about how “high” their dues are and they hate having to pay the “high dues” in order to be a Realtor – those people who aren’t quite in the business anyway – RAISE THEM. You read it right. Let NAR raise the dues so they still have enough money to do that fantastic advertising and buying favor with the important folks in Washington. If 80% of the current Realtors left the business right away (they eventually will anyway) and NAR raised the dues 5X – they would still have the same amount of money and the agents who stayed would all be MUCH better off. I believe the public would too.
Brian Brady says:
Thanks for the mention, Russell. The commenter using the moniker of “Greenspan” missed my point and tried to use it as a platform for the “Realtor as clerk” school of thought.
I’ll have some more thoughts on Banks in real estate later.
January 10, 2007 — 8:36 am
Toby says:
I have been promoting Brian’s school of thought without even knowing it since I got in the business — granted only six months.
When I sit down with a client, I say let’s go at “x” percent for 90 days. If I can’t sell your house in 90 days, then we can revisit the “x” commission and see if you think I still deserve it or not. I’m placing my lively hood that you’ll be impressed enough that you’ll stick with me.
Is it working? So Far. Granted, I only have one listing. But it has received rave reviews from my (hopefully) future clients.
As, to banks being in the industry. You mean they aren’t already? 🙂 I have issues with it, but not because of my “job”. My issue is the entire vertical integration of the industry. I have major issues with RE agents, mortgage, and title folks that wear more than one hat.
January 10, 2007 — 7:24 pm
Brian Brady says:
I attended a BofA conference in Orange County some 2-3 years ago. They DO have a plan to be in real estate (no surprise there). It’s very plain and easy to see.
Can you imagine the MLS they could assemble just through their branch network?
So what does that mean? I believe that it will eliminate the middle guys. The VERY big (Prudential California) will survive and the very small (Realty Place in Litchfield Park) http://www.realtyplace1.com/firm.html will thrive. (The link was inserted for effect)
The very small will be listings experts or “neighborhood experts” and will market to the BofA MLS.
January 10, 2007 — 9:05 pm
Brian Brady says:
“…and I can give you tons of techniques to sell your home without a real estate agent”
Do tell, Andre. Russell only sold 400 last year
January 10, 2007 — 11:38 pm
Russ Cofano says:
“For a division of the United States government to allege some sort of Realtor price fixing in an industry that is so overloaded (sic) with competition that it almost defies belief IS breading hate and contempt.”
In the present suit against NAR, the DOJ is not alleging price fixing. They are alleging a violation of federal anti-trust laws because of anti-competitive policies that allegedly make it more difficult for non-traditional brokers to “play”, harm consumer choice and stifle innovation.
Russ
January 11, 2007 — 7:20 pm
mike says:
hmm, I never understand why traditional real estate agents attack flat fee or set fee operations. It’s like ruth chris throwing rocks at McDonalds. Telling a consumer he is stupid because he needs to pay 30k + for expert pricing is stupid!” I can get an appraisal for $400, I can get a discount if I buy 5, I can also get someone with a law degree to review my contract for 5k, hell i’ll even pay the buy sides legal fees.
What “realtor” fail to do is communicate their “value” to the seller. There are basically two functions of a realtor… marketing (pricing is part of that) and risk mitigation (transaction management for the lay). What a realtor does is extend their capital to market the home of their client, work to procure a contract and then shepard that contract thru to a close. The risk is entirely the realtors, therefore the realtor places a bet they can sell the house and it should pay off, 6% is not relevant in today’s market but… 4-5 is.
What has screwed up everyone’s vision was the last 5 years where homes were on market for 45-60 days and had multiple offers, fueled by low interest rates. Sellers didn’t see the value because the availability of cash created a buying frenzy, and homes sold quickly, realtor were making a killing from doing little marketing and were reaping huge reward for very little risk. Well times are going to change…
One point I think you made in a round about way is that pricing is important. Some agents are going to lose their shirts in 2007 because they don’t know how to price a house to the market and read into the trends. They will do marketing and get killed when only 5 or 6 listings sell.
flat fee doesn’t = bad… its just different and those consumers who chose to use them are doing so as a choice. I think we should all be for choice…
January 19, 2007 — 3:44 am