I wasted a few hours this week cleaning up the messes that real estate agents created for their first time home-buyers.
End result – loan officer still looks like a jerk, but now the borrowers are really confused about who to trust.
I’m going to combine about five separate scenarios and conversations that I had this week into one rant just to get my point across.
First of all, the mortgage industry is changing very rapidly.
True mortgage professionals are paying attention to things like: HVCC, concerns of HR1728, Mortgage Insurance companies changing their guidelines, Fannie’s new condo rules, FHA fico score requirements, Loan Level Price Adjustments, new FHA appraisal guidelines, adjusting interest rates in an unstable market, and a constant stream of mortgage Twitter chatter that only adds to the noise.
For those of us primarily working with FHA First-Time Home Buyers, we’re also keeping tabs on the $8000 Tax Credit being used as a down payment, as well as how long the Fed plans on purchasing Mortgage Backed Securities to keep rates lower.
Just as real estate agents are learning about short sales, bank owned properties, and transparency, mortgage originators have a full-time job keeping up with industry news so that we can lead our clients down the right path.
I don’t think that I need to throw another 9 links in this post to demonstrate that there are a lot of things real estate agents and loan officers need to understand before we can express with confidence to our clients that we truly have a handle on their unique scenario.
Imagine what the effect would be on a first-time home buyer if puked all of this overwhelming information on a them in the first 10 minutes of the initial phone call?
I had to do this all week just so that the agents and borrowers would understand why I wasn’t able to issue a quick pre-approval letter and GFE simply based on a 15 min phone call and credit score.
We’re in a tough market, and I totally empathize with the hard working agents who are competing for new business by giving the highest levels of service possible.
However, in an attempt to provide “motivated” buyers instant gratification, you’re screwing things up for the loan officers who are only here to help everyone accomplish their goals.
There is a system that loan officers have to follow in order to earn the trust of new clients, especially first-time home buyers.
We have to help them define their short and long term investment goals, budget for a down payment and closing costs, determine an affordable monthly payment based on their entire financial scenario, and then plan an exit strategy.
The process of obtaining mortgage money is way more than shopping for the best rates of the minute and then throwing a worthless pre-qual letter up against the wall just so that you can get that offer in ASAP.
We can’t just deal with the details later. It doesn’t work that way anymore.
I’ll never understand why an agent would be willing to spend an entire weekend showing homes to a new borrower before they’ve had a chance to meet with a loan officer.
“But I’ve got three lenders who work 24/7 for me that can get anything done.”
My response – Why toy with the emotions of your clients? It is cruel to tell them that you’ll have one of your preferred banks work up a quick pre-qual the morning before you take them out to view properties.
I had one agent this week tell me that I didn’t understand how real estate worked – that we had to move on these properties before someone else put in a better offer.
I heard the excitement in the hopeful homeowner’s voice when she was describing how perfect this new condo would be and how they’ve been searching for a while to find the best fit for their new family.
Imagine their disgust in my company’s ability to “perform” under short notice when I explained how they would have to wait until we could qualify them and the property.
“I don’t understand, (Agent) said that we would be OK since we had good credit and a decent down payment. My dad didn’t have to deal with this when he bought a house three years ago. Why wouldn’t banks want to give us money, I thought the government has programs for new buyers? My agent told us that she had lenders who could get things done… I don’t trust you, maybe we’ll shop around until we find someone who is willing to tell us what we want to hear…..”
It sucks being the bad guy, but this could have easily been avoided if the agent painted a more accurate picture of the Las Vegas REO home buying process for her young borrowers.
So what happens from here? Lenders will continue to criticize agents for being pushy, and agents will continue to call us idiots and scam artists.
Regardless of how it sounds, I’m not really against agents. Our mortgage company is primarily a purchase shop, so we highly depend on referrals from agents and past clients.
We just have to learn how to respect each other’s roles so that our clients don’t suffer.
My personal agents know better than this. Well, most of the time, but I’m still appreciative of their loyalty.
Either way, here is the correct process:
1. Borrower gets approval from loan officer
2. Real Estate agent shows borrower new homes
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Why Should Real Estate Agents Stop Playing Loan Officer?
- Because lenders have a difficult enough time trying to earn trust in this market without agents causing more doubt
- The interest rates your other clients got last week don’t apply to your new borrowers’ scenario
- Per HVCC, originators are not able to help influence value
- You can’t just easily submit the same loan to multiple banks until an approval sticks
- An actual approval letter requires an underwriter, not just a loan officer’s signature
- A “Good Job” doesn’t necessarily qualify as acceptable income or employment
- A “High Credit Score” is only one aspect of a credit report that an underwriter will analyze
- A “Big Down Payment” still may have to pass a source and seasoning test
- “Owner Occupied” means that they actually have to work and live in the same town
- “Under Valued” does not = a lower LTV in a purchase transaction
- A roommate’s share of the mortgage payment does not = additional income
- Rental income on another investment property may have to be verified
- Equity in other properties does not constitute as liquid assets
- “Pre-Approval” letters are only as trustworthy as the loan officer issuing them, and even then they still may be worthless
Obviously, there are some lending scenarios that are no-brainers.
But I generally need to ask a borrower a series of 20-30 questions and run a full DU or LP approval before I can give a listing agent my honest opinion about whether or not that deal is going to close.
Marty Van Diest says:
Amen and Amen, I learned this lesson a long time ago. I have learned to send buyers to qualified loan officers before we look at houses. Qualifying a buyer is not my job, it’s the loan officers job.
If a loan officer that I know and trust tells me a buyer is good I know I’m not wasting my time.
If a buyer gives me a pre-qual letter from someone I have never heard of, I want a second opinion. Like you said, the letter is only as good as the person who wrote it.
June 6, 2009 — 5:34 pm
Mark Madsen says:
Thanks for the quick response, Marty. I’m sure most of the agents who read BHB feel the same way you do, but I had to get it off my chest and I couldn’t think of a better platform to rant on. 🙂
June 6, 2009 — 5:38 pm
Patrick says:
“OK, we`ve got your pre approval letter, My eKey, cell phone, list of homes we will tour, Oh….you do have your checkbook don`t you?”
June 6, 2009 — 6:34 pm
Barry Bevis says:
Absolutely on spot!
June 6, 2009 — 6:52 pm
Travis Newton says:
Mark, great post! I seem to have those issues on a weekly basis.
Travis
June 6, 2009 — 8:23 pm
Michael Patton says:
Mark and I have had the opportunity to work on a few deals together here in Las Vegas and I trust he’ll remember them as favorably as I do….
Even though I’ve funded about 5,000 purchase loans as an originator I left the mortgage world in 2001 to focus on being a Realtor – mid life crisis perhaps, but I’d just had all I could take of flakey Realtors and part time 7-11 clerks playing loan rep and underquoting the market…. so I thought I’d change what I could and become a listing agent… generally worked out great.
Now, as to being a Realtor and working with a buyer (which I rarely do anymore) I insist on them coming to my office for initial counselling session where we learn all about “our fit” with each other, their goals and my ability to get them on track.
If they want to buy an REO I insist that they get prequalififed by all the major lenders that they might be required to be prequalified with before I ever show them property – if they want to act quickly and need a Wells Fargo approval letter to write an offer on a Wells Fargo REO, then let’s have one ready. Same would be true for Countrywide and others.
I inform them that I was a lender for roughly 20 years and that I no longer am able to give them the “up to date” details of the market or products available – but that I have used all my experience to help me sort out the loan officers that I would send my own family members to.
Further I tell them the business is changing so rapidly and it is every bit as challenging to keep up with as Mark has so totally described in his post (in fact I think I’ll print it out to give to prospective clients).
Further I advise them that they are free to get their financing from any source they choose to – but that I know the loan officers I send them to will be qualified to perform honestly and accurately.
You might think that most buyers won’t jump through my hoops – and you’d be right. But, I also NEVER show property to people that are not committed to working with a professional who’s only looking out for their best interests anyway.
Do I miss out on the occassional buyer that could perform and would “fall in love” with me and be loyal? Maybe – but I’ll never know, since I refuse to put myself out on the streets with no self respect.
Kudo’s to all agents who are focused on education and are raising the bar – the sooner the rest of the industry decides to quit being the equivalent of an “ambulance chaser” the better we’ll all be.
June 6, 2009 — 8:35 pm
Daphne Lacey says:
Thank you for stating the obvious…all buyers should be approved before seeing homes. I do not want a buyer in my vehicle and see the home of their dreams and find out later that they are not qualified to purchase their dream home. I really appreciate the good honest mortgage brokers out there.
June 6, 2009 — 9:23 pm
Chris Brown says:
Mark
I seem to have these problems more and more. Agents I have worked with for a while – not as much of a problem, but as I continue to add referral partners who are orphaned [bcz their ‘other’ LO that did this is now bussing tables] communicating this seems to be more a process than it should be.
Pros always rise to the top of their industry – maybe I am just looking at working with some of the wrong people!?
Chris the implememter
June 7, 2009 — 6:03 am
Barbara Hill says:
As a former mortgage loan officer/originator, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have said. I say former because I have decided to get out of the business after 15 years and write about the experiences with my customers and their lack of knowledge about credit issues and how to resolve them. I have a book almost ready for publication and ready to start another one about how the process works. And it’s not just New Home Buyers or First Timers. Some of the worst buyers are those who have bought homes before and didn’t have to deal with the new rules and regulations. How many times have you heard it said, “But I didn’t have to do (fill in the blank) the last time I bought a housed!” I will be speaking to a small group of realtors doing their post license continuing ed and I will be sharing part of your information and this blog with them. I want to thank Penny Fagen of the Alabama Mortgage Brokers Association for sharing this blog with me and others on Facebook. I’ve now sent it out again to the realtors and mortgage people who are my “friends” on Facebook. Barbara
June 7, 2009 — 7:59 am
Rhonda Porter says:
Mark, I totally agree. Do you think this is happening more because agents have gone through a deeper dry spell in with their business than mortgage originators?
June 7, 2009 — 8:49 am
Dean Ouellette says:
Mark, this is the best piece I have read in a week, and I read a lot of it. Great job… Have a feeling this is going to end up on top of tomorrows top 5 list. All agents should have this as required reading, as should buyers
June 7, 2009 — 6:08 pm
Kristen Emery says:
Mark, well said. Full loan approval with is so important these days. I will be forwarding your article to a few of my contacts. Thanks.
June 8, 2009 — 1:11 am
Mark Madsen says:
@Patrick – Too funny. I guess a pre-qualifying question for a buyers agent would be to ask if they brought the checkbook. Nice.
@Berry – Thank you
@Travis – Sad but true. I don’t cry about it too much lately though. The only thing that pisses me off is when I’m thrown in front of the bus for something that I don’t have control over.
@Michael – I’ve always appreciated your sales training and industry knowledge, especially since you have been on both the Mtg and RE side.
Here are a few valuable “Patton Insights” that I’ll share with the readers here:
1. Don’t start a sentence with the word “honestly” because it may make people think that everything else you say is BS.
2. Minute by minute status reports from the loan officer to the agent are not necessary if the agent has complete confidence and trust that the LO is doing their job. If the agent or client feels the need to keep constant tabs on the lender’s daily routine, then the agent needs to find another loan officer who knows how and when to communicate.
3. When a LO is asked a real estate related question about a particular transaction, the only response that the LO should give is – “I’ll have your agent contact you with the correct answer”
4. Same as above, switch the position as LO and agent
@Daphne – There are definitely times when it makes sense to get someone in your car quickly to preview a few properties, but it is always nice to have a first-time home buyer approved ahead of time – especially if they are flying to town just to look for homes.
@Chris – It is just about educating our agents and clients. Lenders have to stand together on this, which I know won’t happen. But it would sure help if other lenders weren’t making the mistake of giving bogus quick pre-quals just to lock down a potential client. We need to be the first ones to take responsibility for our industry’s damaged reputation.
@Barbara – “But I didn’t have to do (fill in the blank) the last time I bought a housed!” Yep, we get a lot of that these days. I’m also thankful that Penny sharing this site with you.
@Rhonda – Deeper dry spell – I guess it depends on which market you’re in. Agents just want to get deals closed like the rest of us do. When a new buyer shows up at an open house or calls from some ad / flyer / web page… the agent feels like getting someone in a car is part of the process of solidifying that relationship. I totally understand, but it just sets up so many people in the transaction for failure.
“I need a pre-qual ASAP because I’m submitting an offer in two hours” –
That doesn’t magically make the borrowers more eligible for a loan. Maybe agents think that we’ll work harder on getting their clients approved if they already have an offer in on something. Makes sense, kind of, but it still doesn’t change an underwriter’s mind. Besides, I don’t know any loan officers who need to be “motivated” to get someone approved. Fear of starvation or homelessness is pretty much all we need these days to get on the ball.
@Dean – Thanks for adding me to that list. Sorry it took a few days to get back in and update this post.
@Kristen – Thanks
June 11, 2009 — 12:25 pm