Kicking this back to the top. It’s news again. I wrote this post more than a year ago, but, per The Hill, the tax-deductibility of mortgage interest is back on the table:
The popular tax break for mortgage interest, once considered untouchable, is falling under the scrutiny of policymakers and economic experts seeking ways to close huge deficits.
Although Congress last year rejected the White House’s proposed cut to the amount wealthier taxpayers can deduct for home mortgage interest payments, the administration included it again in its 2010 budget — saying it could save $208 billion over the next decade.
And now that sentiment has turned against all the federal red ink — and cost-cutting is in vogue — Democrats on President Barack Obama’s financial commission are considering the wisdom of permanent tax breaks such as the mortgage deduction and corporate deferral. Calling them “tax entitlements,” senior Democratic lawmakers have argued they should be on the table for reform just like traditional entitlement programs Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid.
Nothing has changed in my response to this news, so let’s dial the wayback machine back to February 26, 2009:
The bay-trees in our country are all wither’d
And meteors fright the fixed stars of heaven;
The pale-faced moon looks bloody on the earth
And lean-look’d prophets whisper fearful change;
Rich men look sad and ruffians dance and leap,
The one in fear to lose what they enjoy,
The other to enjoy by rage and war:
These signs forerun the death or fall of kings.
— William Shakespeare, Richard II
I was out showing this afternoon and came home to find that President Barrack Obama has proposed giving the NAR’s cherished mortgage income tax deduction a very small haircut. From The Wall Street Journal:
The tax increases would raise an estimated $318 billion over 10 years by reducing the value of such longstanding deductions as mortgage interest and charitable contributions for people in the highest tax brackets. Households paying income taxes at the 33% and 35% rates can currently claim deductions at those rates. Under the Obama proposal, they could deduct only 28% of the value of those payments.
The changes would be phased in gradually over the next few years. For the 2009 tax year, the 33% tax bracket starts with couples with taxable earnings of $208,850, when adjusted for personal exemptions and various deductible expenses. A taxpayer in the top bracket paying $1,000 of mortgage interest, for example, would see a tax break worth $350 reduced to $280.
Did you catch that? Top brackets. Seventy bucks.
Nevertheless, the National Association of Realtors has gone predictably ballistic:
In a letter sent today to President Obama, NAR President Charles McMillan said, “There is never a good time to propose something that undermines the basic foundation of homeownership, but given our current housing crisis, this has to be the worst possible time.”
Any changes to the current mortgage deduction would have repercussions far beyond the homeowners directly impacted. “The tax deduction of interest paid on mortgages is both a powerful incentive for homeownership and one of the simplest provisions in the tax code. It should not be targeted for change,” McMillan said.
Here’s the funny part of the story: Hardly anyone gets any benefit from mortgage interest deductibility. From Portfolio.com:
[M]ost homeowners don’t get any benefit from the tax deduction at all.
I first boned up on tax deductions back in 2004, when George W Bush was thinking about abolishing them. Basically, there’s a standard deduction, which everybody gets; if you’d rather, however, you can opt to itemize a bunch of separate deductions instead, if they add up to more than the standard deduction.
The standard deduction in 2009 for a married couple filing jointly is $11,400. That means you get to subtract $11,400 from your income even if you don’t pay any mortgage interest at all. Now suppose that married couple bought a home for $200,000, put 20% down, and got a 6% mortgage. Then their annual interest payments are 6% of $180,000, or $10,800. They own your own home, but they get no benefit from the tax deduction: they’re still better off taking the standard deduction.
Of course, if you own a home in Washington DC or in New York, you’re likely to have a mortgage of much more than $180,000. But let’s say that our married couple bought a $350,000 house instead, and have annual mortgage interest payments of $16,800. Then their taxable income will be reduced by $5,400 as a result of the mortgage-interest tax deduction, which means that their taxes will be reduced by about $1,900, or about $150 a month — compared to $1,400 in mortgage interest payments. By contrast, refinancing from a 6% mortgage into a 4.5% mortgage will save them $350 in mortgage interest payments: movements in interest rates are much more important to homeowners than tax laws are.
Want to go one better? The idea of mortgage interest deductibility is the key argument in the almost-always bogus rent vs. buy debate. Putative deductibility provides supposed cash benefits right now — and it promotes the investment value of your home.
Sit still for a moment. Take a few deep breaths. Forget everything about our current political and economic context and then tell me in twenty-five words or fewer why relatively fungible non-commercial real estate should ever be thought of as an investment. Do you think of your clothing as an investment? Do you anticipate a big cash payday for your knocked-around production-line mini-van?
We’ve been stupid for a long, long time, but not without cause. The NAR has told us for decades that we get a mortgage interest deduction, even though almost nobody does. They told us it was worth serious dough, even though it wasn’t. And they told us it turned our homes into investments, even though treating our homes as investments has resulted in massive over-building, massive over-lending, massive defaults, massive foreclosures and a massive clusterfrolic in the residential real estate business.
Who is at fault? Who claims credit for the idea of mortgage interest deductibility? The National Association of Realtors.
Two paragraphs ago you were thinking about reality and not just the news, so let’s try to make a habit of it. Suppose the car dealers in your state passed a law that put an excise tax on every vehicle — owned, financed or leased. But they also passed a law that let the drivers of financed vehicles deduct their interest payments from their excise tax bill. If you bought your car on credit, you might stand up and shout, “It’s a great day to be a Rotarian Socialist!” But if you lease or own your car — or if you own a fleet of trucks — you might not be so happy.
A tax system like that is obviously unjust — and its underlying motivation should be equally obvious: To get more people to buy more cars more often than they otherwise would.
This is also the motivation behind the putative deductibility of mortgage interest. People who own their own homes free and clear are being robbed, as are people who rent, but not even the mortgagee is the true beneficiary. The law is written for the benefit of Realtors — and lenders — who can talk you into buying more house than you otherwise would, trading houses more often than you otherwise would, all with the promise of a tax deduction that you almost certainly will not get, and which won’t amount to anything even if you do.
And that is why the NAR must wail so balefully that the deduction of mortgage interest is sacred and must not be touched — because it’s a sleazy scam for churning the real estate markets, and, if anything changes, there’s a chance that someone might catch on to the con game.
Watch your email, Realtors. By Monday you’ll have note from McMillan entreating you to wail in chorus with the NAR, begging Obama and the Congress not to reveal our trade union for what it is: An anti-consumer criminal cartel.
The real test will be to see if Obama has the courage to stand up to the NAR. The proposed reduction in mortgage interest deductibility is trivial. It will impact almost no one. The best tax is no tax, and we will see nothing like that from this president. But even a slight reduction in a tax deduction that distorts the real estate market so dreadfully is a change for the good. An even greater good is containing the rapacious evil that the NAR has become.
At an absolute minimum, this should be fun to watch…
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Tom Hall says:
Perhaps we should look to our near-Socialist neighbors to the great white north – boasting homeownership rates on par with us. No mortgage interest deduction.
February 26, 2009 — 8:14 pm
Chris Johnson says:
About the greatest thing about @tcar’s appointment to the board is that part of his job description could be to take you on….an that will be a good time.
February 26, 2009 — 9:22 pm
Brian Brady says:
“tell me in twenty-five words or fewer why relatively fungible non-commercial real estate should ever be thought of as an investment”
When it’s a 1-4 unit property, held for investment purposes.
Ten words. What am I missing?
February 26, 2009 — 10:02 pm
Doug Quance says:
Let us not forget that renters get to pay – albeit indirectly – the higher rate of property taxation.
February 27, 2009 — 7:58 am
Bob says:
i have always told perspective 1st time buyers that tax deductions can be substantially over rated. It is simple math, as you pointed out. Work the numbers backwards.
Tip for new or struggling agents:
If you want to stand out among agents, empower your perspective clients with knowledge so that they are empowered to make rational and intelligent decisions when it comes to buying or selling. You will be amazed at the outcome, plus you will be able to look in the mirror every day and not see a truth spinning NAR economist staring back at you.
February 27, 2009 — 10:43 am
Sean Purcell says:
Greg,
I agree with your thesis on mortgage interest deductability. But I disagree with your conclusion in this post.
But even a slight reduction in a tax deduction that distorts the real estate market so dreadfully is a change for the good.
President Obama is not doing this to take on the NAR or to wipe out the false god of interest tax deductions. President Obama is playing with classism plain and simple. Assume for a moment that this deduction (in one form or another) is going to continue. Telling me that those in the highest tax bracket are getting a bigger break is a lie on its face. If you pay a higher percentage than someone else and you both are given a deduction based on your percentage… they are the same break. Your deduction is greater because your payment was greater! Requiring someone to pay a higher percentage tax than someone else (a particularly pernicious economic punishment for another discussion) precludes you from complaining when a deduction is applied equally across the board. This is simple math and it is indisputable, despite the protestation of our progressive (and progressively math challenged) brethren.
The NAR must fight this because they spend their life on the slippery slope. I don’t pay them much mind. But even if we find the interest deduction to be a greater evil than when a President uses classism to divide the populace and create an entitlement community, we cannot stand and say “Yes, let us allow this smaller evil in order to take a bite out of a greater evil.”
We are witnessing a wholesale change in the underlying philosophy of our nation. The majority of people may favor it – much to their shame – but it should not be applauded just because they nick an ox we don’t particulary like. You cannot be a little bit pregnant.
February 27, 2009 — 7:58 pm
Richard Stabile says:
Were I live in Bergen County New Jersey, just out side of New York City, we will be affected. You see it is not just the income tax change, but the state of NJ has imposed major taxes on real estate. I live in a house I built in 2001 for about 900K. It is probably worth about 1.250 now and a couple of years ago about 1.6m .
My real estate taxes are 28k. If you buy a house here for 1.25k you will pay a buyers tax of $12,500. The seller will pay a transfer tax of 1.2% or $15,500.00
And if it is a new house the seller will pay a 2.5 % affordable housing tax $31,250.00 .
It is just another nail in luxury real estate coffin.
Let me say that my house is not the most expensive in Bergen county it is a somewhat over median. There are many houses 2m and up to 56M.
Real estate is taking a beating on all counts.
If you live in my area $250k is not a lot of money.
I am not crying, but I think if I lived in many areas, $100,000 would fell the same.
February 27, 2009 — 9:19 pm
Linsey says:
This is actually a big deal in California. Prices for a 1500 square foot SFR have been $500,000 + for years and still are in much of Orange County and many places in the state. We rarely have the benefit of a $417 conforming loan amount and $208,000 income here is a far cry from ‘wealthy’.
This will exacerbate an already difficult situation for the guy who paid $800,000 for his 2500 square foot home and has been just getting by. He can’t sell it because it’s now worth $650,000. Reducing his deductions is a big deal and the numbers of people in this circumstance are significant.
This housing crisis and the economy can’t be fixed by ignoring the impact on the state of California. Our economy is an integral part of the recovery and this is a serious matter that is minimized by the numbers given in your example.
February 28, 2009 — 5:00 pm
Michael Cook says:
“This will exacerbate an already difficult situation for the guy who paid $800,000 for his 2500 square foot home and has been just getting by.”
How does a guy who pays $800K for home just get by??? If he puts 10% down, he would need to have a pretty hefty income to make the payments. At that income level you can figure out a way to pay your mortgage if you need to.
If you have the financial ability to buy an $800k home, you should be financially savvy enough to pay for it.
June 9, 2010 — 12:06 pm
Linsey Planeta says:
Really Michael? To buy a home in Southern California – and afford to live here – not everyone was qualifying on the standard qualifications. Between the ridiculously high number of SISA loans, or the option ARMS, the adjustables, yeah, I’d say it’s a problem for a large number of current homeowners. Hence our extreme housing crisis and large number of distress sales and negative equity owners.
Add in the fact that 7 out of the 10 highest unemployment rate cities in the country are in the State of California, I think it’s unrealistic to assume that, “If you have the financial ability to buy an $800k home, you should be financially savvy enough to pay for it.”
June 9, 2010 — 12:15 pm
Al Lorenz says:
“At an absolute minimum, this should be fun to watch…”
Greg, this has been so true of the entire political climate in the nation since the 2008 election. At least much of the apathy has melted away.
I would like to see all the supports, incentives, subsidies and breaks go away for everything in every industry in some completely new and simple tax scheme.
June 9, 2010 — 12:25 pm
Greg Swann says:
> I would like to see all the supports, incentives, subsidies and breaks go away for everything in every industry in some completely new and simple tax scheme.
Sold. I like the tax rate at zero. 😉
June 9, 2010 — 1:38 pm
Michael Cook says:
“Between the ridiculously high number of SISA loans, or the option ARMS, the adjustables, yeah, I’d say it’s a problem for a large number of current homeowners. Hence our extreme housing crisis and large number of distress sales and negative equity owners.”
This is foolishness plan and simple. I dont care how you got into an $800k home, I dont pity you nor do I feel like you deserve any assistance. The shear reason homes are $800k are because of that assistance. If homes are so “unaffordable” then prices would decline. At somepoint, perhaps $800k, people need to say, wait a minute, I cant get something for nothing.
With a median home price of $200k, help me understand why I should feel the list bit of pity for people that paid 4x as much.
June 10, 2010 — 8:08 am
Linsey Planeta says:
Michael – no one is requiring your pity. Frankly, I’m not interested in seeing the proverbial can kicked down the road myself. But there is no denying the reality of where we are in the California housing market. When more than 1 in 5 California homeowners are in substantial negative equity situations (and growing), you cannot deny the impact on our local, state, and national economy. Pity or not, I don’t care either way. It’s a fact that impacts all of us, like it or not.
June 10, 2010 — 9:35 am
Thomas Johnson says:
Take a look at the value of the mortgage interest deduction to a REALTOR that earns on a 1099. The mortgage interest plus the business deductions is quite valuable to the upper income echelons of the NAR membership. You know, the ones that wail about raising the bar tab (#RTB), grovel for favors like free Maker’s Mark from the vendorsluts at Inman Connect. It is difficult to hit meaningful tax deductions as a W-2 earner.
The mortgage interest deduction is NAR’s first line of defense for the broker employee/independent contractor exclusion.
June 10, 2010 — 2:03 pm
Greg Swann says:
> The mortgage interest deduction is NAR’s first line of defense for the broker employee/independent contractor exclusion.
Que? Connect the dots for me, por favor.
June 10, 2010 — 2:36 pm
Brian Brady says:
“Between the ridiculously high number of SISA loans, or the option ARMS, the adjustables, yeah, I’d say it’s a problem for a large number of current homeowners”
Whoa Linsey ! Michael’s right. Nobody forced home buyers to buy property inflated with funny money. They knew the risks going into the market and knew the risks associated with the loans they used. The mortgage interest deduction is just another form of “cheap money”
The knee-jerk reaction from California agents and originators is “this will kill home prices”. So be it. The best “affordable housing program” is lower prices.
What’s interesting is that the Gov;t has one foot on the pedal and one foot on the brake when it comes to housing. They want housing to be affordable to all (so create a taxpayer-funded program) yet inflate it with the mortgage interest deduction (at the taxpayers’ expense).
Linsey, if you want to help our neighbors, who are suffering financially, work on getting the Socialists out of the State Legislature so we can cut state income taxes and property taxes.
June 10, 2010 — 3:15 pm
Sean Purcell says:
That’s an interesting take Thomas. As Greg’s post points out, the interest deduction does very little for W2 employees and/or low income earners… which leaves high income, 1099 earners to benefit. That’s a pretty good description of NAR’s actual protectorate.
Yet another reason to be against the tax deduction in toto… and the NAR.
June 10, 2010 — 3:17 pm
Louis Cammarosano says:
“tell me in twenty-five words or fewer why relatively fungible non-commercial real estate should ever be thought of as an investment”
I can’t in 200 words.
A home is not an investment.
Indeed a home is not an asset, its a liability.
A house is a home, not an investment.
A home produces no income, just memories and quality of life.
Great fiscal responsibility comes with Homeownership.
A home owner becomes the custodian of value.
A home produces no income other than appreciation when sold.
Real appreciation only comes (absent artificially low interest rates, tax incentives, real housing shortages or a sudden increase in the desirability of the neighborhood that the house is in)if improvements are made to the asset and general increases in income/inflation occur.
Nationwide annual double digit pct price appreciation like we saw in the late 90’s to about 2006 is not likely in the coming years.
Today depending on the market home prices could rise or fall.
The primary reason to buy a home now (absent tax credits)should be do you WANT the asset and would your quality of life be enhanced from owning that asset, not whether you will make money from it.
June 10, 2010 — 8:43 pm
Thomas Johnson says:
Greg, The broker exemption from having employees is to my mind, the crown jewel of the NAR’s lobbying effort. In fortress NAR the profitability of its broker members lies in not paying 7.5% FICA tax on behalf of the agent/contractors plus the other costs of having employees. Take away the employee exemption and the NAR membership is bust.
In order to protect this most valuable of special favors, NAR must seem invincible in its lobbying efforts so that any legislation that would directly remove the broker special deal is instantly a non-starter in the halls of Congress.
For whatever reason, NAR has chosen the mortgage interest deduction as one of its impregnable redoubts. The math doesn’t work for the promotion of homeownership for the average guy, but it is probably pretty easy to get the deduction struck in committee because “the REALTORS” will jam the phone lines.
Elimination of the broker only non-employee 1099 no- FICA deal would shatter broker profitability and ultimately destroy the NAR through lack of dues paying members.
This tangent is probably another thread, but if the NAR shatters, the MLS system crumbles and then broker cooperation could be re-established without the heavy hand of the Rotarian Socialists. All listings could be posted on Zulia or Trillow and commissions could be divorced or cooperation established by a quick email prior to showing.
Dots connected?
June 10, 2010 — 10:44 pm
Sean Purcell says:
For whatever reason, NAR has chosen the mortgage interest deduction as one of its impregnable redoubts.
No doubt Greg will respond, but allow me to add my .02 worth. I think you mistakenly narrow NAR’s interests. The reason NAR has chosen the mortgage interest deduction is it plays into their chorus of “Now is a great time to buy…” which is designed to support their overall position as cheerleader for the de facto union of REALTORS. No question the #1 goal is protection of the Broker tax break, but give them credit for backing more than one horse in their charade.
June 10, 2010 — 10:59 pm
Tom Johnson says:
Sean: NAR’s interests are very narrow: Collecting dues from 1 million members and keeping those members paying. All horses are backed to that end.
June 11, 2010 — 7:42 am