You know, they say it isn’t wise – when you visit the Wizard of Oz – to look too closely behind the curtain. Might not like what you see. In Australia we were recently treated to a quick look behind Facebook’s curtain and I have to tell you: the king ain’t wearing any clothes!
Seems a nice young couple had bought a house, got upside down, stopped paying their mortgage and were doing everything they could to avoid the process servers and foreclosure coming their way. Not altogether different from the unfortunate antics of a great many folks over in our neck of the woods. I doubt many of us condone their behavior, but I find it difficult to root for the mortgage company either. Sort of like watching a tether ball game between your ex-wife and her attorney: I don’t really care who wins just so long as both sides take one or two in the kisser. Aaaaanyway, the mortgage company finally won the game. Want to know how? They looked this couple up and served them legal documents on Facebook! (Read the full story here.)
Better yet, the local Supreme Court in Australia ruled that this was an acceptable use of the social networking platform. Are you surprised? Shocked? Maybe even a little outraged? I should say so. I’ll bet Facebook was none too happy either. Imagine the chilling affect this development may have on their social network site. Let’s listen in:
Facebook spokesman Barry Schnitt praised the ruling.
“We’re pleased to see the Australian court validate Facebook as a reliable, secure and private medium for communication,” he said.
“The ruling is also an interesting indication of the increasing role that Facebook is playing in people’s lives,” Schnitt added. The company said it believed this was the first time it has been used to serve a foreclosure notice.
I can only guess at the pride they’ll feel when the first paternity suit is served. Are you kidding me? I read this and the first thing I did was look up hubris in the dictionary, just to make sure I was using that word correctly in my initial reaction. Turns out my problem was redundancy. Webster’s used to define hubris as: “excessive pride or self-confidence.” Now it simply says: “see Facebook.” Did he say “… an interesting indication of the increasing role that Facebook is playing in people’s lives?” Is that anything like reveling in the expanded role the stock market is currently playing in people’s lives?
Sydney University of Technology law professor Michael Fraser:
“It does change the rules of the game because people thought of these as social sites; now they can be used to serve official court documents and it may change the way people establish a presence on the social networks and the way they use them.”
Do you think? We are told by Rory Ryan, a Baylor Law School associate professor, that U.S. users do not have to worry about being served though the program yet. Yet? Oh really? Have you ever seen the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in action? I am here to tell you I have as many problems as the next guy – maybe more. But do I want my dirty linens cleaned on Facebook? Do you?
Geno Petro says:
Sean …. That was facinating. I must be more selective before I automatically press CONFIRM on FB. I was wondering why all these strangers were requesting my FRIENDship.
December 18, 2008 — 7:07 am
Ned Carey says:
That was an outrageous decision. I certainly hope it doesn’t come to the US.
I have joined various social networking sites that I haven’t been back to or visit on a very infrequent basis.
December 18, 2008 — 8:07 am
Tim Theiss says:
Hummm, this action is making me rethink the concept of “Living off the Grid”.
December 18, 2008 — 9:00 am
Sean Purcell says:
Geno – I don’t think you have as much to be worried about… in Chicago they don’t collect debts throught the internet
Ned – I’d be surprised if we don’t see this attempted and in court before ’09 is out
Tim – Brings new meaning to “tune in, turn on and drop out”
December 18, 2008 — 10:03 am
Thomas Johnson says:
New Facebook poke game: “I just broke your kneecaps!”
December 18, 2008 — 10:16 am
Jeff Brown says:
Sean — Wasn’t it the 9th Circuit who upheld the twinkie defense? Frankly, I always thought the U.S. Supreme Court should’ve overturned that decision. A buncha twinkies ruling on a twinkie defense called for mass recusals, don’t you agree?
December 18, 2008 — 10:59 am
Dylan Darling says:
Wow. It just goes to show you that when you join a social site, the world is watching!
December 18, 2008 — 12:05 pm
Sean Purcell says:
Thomas – see my comment to Geno
Jeff – a bunch of sponge cakes with creamy, spineless insides and nothing to offer but empty calories… yep, that sounds about right
Dylan – I’d say we’re stretching the definition of social sites now
December 18, 2008 — 1:31 pm
Brian Brady says:
I’m rethinking my “friend” strategy, after seeing this post.
December 18, 2008 — 4:38 pm
J Boyer Harding NJ says:
Wow, They are getting creative in hunting down the dead beats. I find it difficult to root for the mortage companies as well but some of these people deserve to sleep with who they got in bed with.
December 18, 2008 — 6:19 pm
Sue says:
I guess there is no hiding…talk about exposing all your business to the public.
December 18, 2008 — 7:18 pm
Sean Purcell says:
Here’s my question: how does a bill collector serve someone on Facebook? Is it a private email, in which case I wonder how they prove you received it? Or do they just post it on your wall for all the world to see? What if the debt is in error? All of your friends have still seen it – can a reputation be repaired?
There are a myriad of situations where an outstanding debt might be excusable once the facts are in – does all of that get explained on Facebook? Does this begin to border on libel. Is that a Pandora’s Box Facebook is eager to open?
December 18, 2008 — 8:06 pm
Robert Kerr says:
Aaaaanyway, the mortgage company finally won the game. Want to know how? They looked this couple up and served them legal documents on Facebook!
I’m confused.
According to the “full story” link, dated Dec 17, the couple was never served via Facebook: “The lender’s lawyer, Mark McCormack, said that by the time he got the documents approved by the court for transmission, Facebook profiles for the couple had disappeared. The page was apparently either closed or secured for privacy, following publicity about the court order.”
And, this matter is not yet settled: “A court is expected to settle the matter as early as next week.”
Did I miss a newer link … ?
December 19, 2008 — 8:22 pm
Sean Purcell says:
Robert,
@ Robert “And, this matter is not yet settled: “A court is expected to settle the matter as early as next week.”
You are referencing the couple’s foreclosure proceedings and not the relevant case. See below:
The point of the post was the court ruling and Facebook’s reaction. The end result of this particular transaction seemed less than important. The freedom to take literary license while providing the actual link is, I believe, acceptable.
Care to add your opinion on the crux of the matter?
December 19, 2008 — 9:15 pm
Robert Kerr says:
Hi Sean. My opinion?
While it’s interesting to understand how different the law is in Australia, this doesn’t affect or concern me.
I don’t live or do business in Autralia and US laws are obviously quite different w.r.t. proper and legal service.
I responded only for clarity anent the facts in the story, and thank you for clearing that up.
December 20, 2008 — 11:38 am