This is from a comment by Jeff Brown, responding to an earlier post. I’m only showing a snippet here, but Jeff’s ideas are worth apprehending in full and pondering at length.
Once and for all, the money paid for representing a buyer OR a seller is based upon only one factor: The ultimate value perceived by the client. Is the client better off being represented by you than not represented period? Is he better off with you vs. another agent?
Here’s the thing: The market will bear what it knows about. This is the purpose of marketing, to educate your own buyer.
So think of it this way:
I personally can sell about a house a week. More than that, and I can’t juggle all the eggs. But even assuming I have enough ready, willing and able buyers to sell a house a week, the effort involved for some transactions can exceed the time I can afford to spend on it. Because we don’t relate costs to compensation, sometimes we make good money, and sometimes we take it in the shorts. No other personal services/consultation business works this way — except for contingency-fee attorneys.
So: In ideal circumstances, I can sell a house a week at $250,000 each, on average, earning $7,500 each, on average, for a gross income of $375,000. Not bad. My marketing costs and other expenses are huge, and, practically speaking, some of those transactions were under-performing: Either the deal didn’t close at all or my costs exceeded my return. And, of course, I don’t always have a buyer to work with every week. Unused Realtor capacity is a hidden cost in this business, one that would be accounted for in the books for in any other business. But still, after everything: Nothing to sneeze at.
But suppose I can structure my business a different way. What if I were to charge a flat fee to represent a buyer in exchange for a non-refundable retainer. My marketing costs just plummeted, especially for the high-end clients whose homes we want to list — now and also when they move again. My exposure for under-performance just plummeted, first because buyers won’t abandon their retainer, and second because I’m partially-indemnified if they do.
Moreover, the beautiful thing about doing something different is that you get to educate the buyer to do things differently, as well. I want to cut to the chase, doing the jobs that I alone can do. I want the buyer to take on explicitly the responsibilities many are already implicitly undertaking: Eliminating the dogs without my help. When I’m along, I want to be looking at viable short-list candidates, not everything under the clear blue sky. In other words, my labor costs per transaction just plummeted.
Let’s add one or two licensed assistants, and I now have both the ready, willing and able buyers and the staffing to sell and service a house day, not a house a week.
Put my costs as high as you like. Let’s say I net out only $2,500 a house, after everything. That’s on the order of $750,000 a year, double what I can do at peak performance — before costs — the traditional way.
Plus Cathy gets access to a huge number of listings per year, many of them high-end listings. I would happily list the same way, flat fee with a retainer, again using licensed assistants for support functions.
And that’s just an interim step between traditional real estate brokerage and business as it is done in every other business.
From my point of view, what the market will bear is of only secondary interest. The time of my life is my sole capital, and my interest, therefore, is to maximize the profit I make on that time. If I can make more money by charging less, then I am doing the right thing for everyone involved.
I’m just spit-balling ideas for now, and obviously this business model would not work for everyone. Someone wanting to do the broad, unfocused search of everything available would not go for this at all. But for people who are ready to jump and have a fairly clear idea of where and how they intend to jump, something like this would be an answer to their prayers. Not discounting a la Redfin or other bottom-feeders, but full service at a price appropriate to the effort expended — and we make it up in volume.
That smells like a big win to me…
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Jeff Brown says:
For a short period in the ’80’s I experimented with the flat fee approach with mixed results. I tried it because the market was very tough, like it is today. It taught me what I was missing.
>Because we don’t relate costs to compensation, sometimes we make good money, and sometimes we take it in the shorts.
I found if I became hard core with my approach to listings/buyer-broker contracts, I was able to eliminate virtually all upside down situations. I developed a little speech which communicated to the client how seriously I took the contract. They understood that by signing it they were telling me how dedicated they were to having a successful outcome. That simple approach has been working pretty well since 1985.
I think your proposed new business model has some real potential. I also used to charge $500, non-refundable, to become a client. They always asked what it was for, and I told them it was for leaving their jeans and going into my jeans. π
What it really did though was separate the wheat from the chaff, just like yours would.
Frankly, Greg, I think you should take this idea for a spin. The Phoenix market is a perfect lab for this experiment, and you’re the perfect crazy scientist. π
October 2, 2006 — 7:39 am
Greg Swann says:
> Frankly, Greg, I think you should take this idea for a spin. The Phoenix market is a perfect lab for this experiment, and you’re the perfect crazy scientist.
That’s my thinking, too. Much of innovation in capitalism consist of engineering for the low-hanging fruit.
And there’s this: If we don’t like how it works, we simply back away. Realtors like to believe that our marketing is hugely influential — and thus we’ll be bound to a policy. In fact, hardly anyone notices anything and almost everyone forgets everything. If your marketing really sticks — like coupons for Pizza Hut — you’re stuck with it. But most marketing works only at the point of contact — if then.
October 2, 2006 — 7:56 am
Todd Tarson says:
Is my office bugged?? My phone??
Greg, you say it better, but these have been some of the very real thoughts that I have been having on commission structure. Glad to see that others are thinking along this line.
I think that I will start a new marketing campaign in 2007 at the end of my term as Association president (I’ll simply have the kind of time that I’ll need… I hope).
I’m in a smaller area, much smaller and because of this I could get frowned upon pretty quickly for setting about on this. But that just may be the fun part.
October 2, 2006 — 8:13 am
Greg Swann says:
> I’m in a smaller area, much smaller and because of this I could get frowned upon pretty quickly for setting about on this. But that just may be the fun part.
If something like this works and you end up with a bunch of buyers, your retort to disgruntled Realtors is, “Ya got any listings for sale?” π
October 2, 2006 — 9:28 am
Daniel Rothamel says:
I’m with all of you on this one, as well. My wife and I have been saying that this business should be run more like the accounting and legal industries ever since we got started.
October 2, 2006 — 9:58 am
Michael Price says:
See my latest post at http://www.mlpodcast.com/blog It goes a long way toward validating this train of thought. I for one, think you definitely have a winner on your hand. I’ve said all along there exists and opportunity to make more money, not less in the new economy of real estate.
October 2, 2006 — 10:09 am
jf.sellsius says:
As a pragmatist, I say trying something beats thinking about it. Only then will you know the actual results. Your model seems to be a workable recipe. Now it’s time to make some pudding.
October 2, 2006 — 12:05 pm
Kevin says:
Great idea; just be sure to spend some money on a bulletproof vest! π Seriously, though, this’ll cause a huge stir in your area and get a lot of people upset. Clearly, you’ve been practicing for that and thickening your skin at the same time.
I know you’ll hate to hear this, but your competitors will lump you in with the Redfins and Zip Realty’s of the world.
October 2, 2006 — 6:25 pm
Greg Swann says:
> I know you’ll hate to hear this, but your competitors will lump you in with the Redfins and Zip Realty’s of the world.
Let ’em. Imagine a cable-TV spot taking that head on: Just like discount real estate, with only two differences: Full service and bigger rebates. That’s my kind of fun!
October 2, 2006 — 7:30 pm
John K says:
Hi. A couple things I’m unclear on.
1)How will my marketing costs plummet, just because I change my revenue stream from commission to flat fee?
2)I am not sure how this could work for sellers. Flat fee, sort of, but isn’t the assumption that a higher-priced property requires more advertising and spending, because there are fewer potential buyers, so you have to spend more to reach them?
October 2, 2006 — 10:19 pm
Greg Swann says:
> How will my marketing costs plummet, just because I change my revenue stream from commission to flat fee?
My presumption is that the cost per conversion will go way down. We would have a strong differentiator for one thing, along with a disincentive to stray. My expectation is that the ratio of marketing dollars to profitable dollars will change dramatically.
> I am not sure how this could work for sellers.
What we’ve talked about is flat-fee plus an a la carte menu of added-cost options. For now, we’ll probably stay at 5%, 3% to BB, with a discount in exchange for a retainer.
October 2, 2006 — 10:30 pm
John K says:
Hmmm. In Boston, condos sell for $500,000 or more. In your analysis, you use $250,000 as the average sale, then say $500 is a reasonable retainer. So, should it be twice as much, here?
My question is as much about perception as actual dollar amount. I could definitely convince more people of the value of paying me $500, but, if I am truly offering the service I think I am, maybe it should be more. Like, $1,000.
October 3, 2006 — 10:59 am
Jeff Brown says:
I think the only premise that might prove unreliable is buyer loyalty, especially if it’s based on the lower fee. They’ll find a house on their own and the listing agent will say the house will sell for its market value whether they pay you, or the seller pays them. It will be true, and there goes loyalty.
This is easily remedied with a strong buyer/broker contract.
October 4, 2006 — 4:51 pm
Greg Swann says:
> They’ll find a house on their own and the listing agent will say the house will sell for its market value whether they pay you, or the seller pays them.
By charging you a flat fee, Mr. and Mrs. Homebuyer, I have no incentive to induce you to pay a higher sales price. To the contrary, my incentive is all the other way, to make sure you’re so delighted with the price you pay that you’ll send me all your friends and relatives. Divorcing my compensation from the purchase price works to your advantage.
October 4, 2006 — 6:13 pm
Jeff Brown says:
>By charging you a flat fee, Mr. and Mrs. Homebuyer, I have no incentive to induce you to pay a higher sales price.
I couldn’t agree more, and I think for most people that would be enough. But a large minority will stay in the corral for two main reasons.
1) Your dynamic personality and the confidence you’ll give them.
2) The four page contract that binds them to you like a Siamese twin for the length of the agreement. π
Your statement to them about your incentive will not overcome me telling them that the price won’t change either way. I can demonstrate the truth of that to them, and it won’t matter that in reality I may indeed be wrong.
Do you intend to have buyers sign a contract?
October 4, 2006 — 6:43 pm
Greg Swann says:
> Do you intend to have buyers sign a contract?
Oh, absolutely.
These are the cut-outs:
1. Web page explaining everything, including subsequent steps you must take.
2. Schedule an appointment by form on the web page.
3. Pre-interview by phone to confirm appointment and go through steps you must take.
4. Lender pre-qualification.
5. Face-to-face interview, going through steps you must take.
6. Only if there is mutual agreement and a very high degree of confidence on our part will the contract come out.
We already qualify very hard on listings, but we’re going to do that much harder, as well.
I’m going to give you a smokin’ deal, the kind of deal you can’t get anywhere else. In exchange, you’re going to give me a very high-percentage shot at the basket. If you don’t have what I need, I don’t have what you need. That doesn’t mean we can’t make another deal, we just can’t make this deal.
In any other business, a negotiation like that would be completely normal…
October 4, 2006 — 6:57 pm
Jeff Brown says:
I think with that approach you’re only challenge will be finding the right price point that presses the upside while still appealing to the majority of buyers, AND giving you the net that let’s all this make sense.
I’m looking forward to watching this, and wish you massive success.
October 5, 2006 — 8:10 am