I promise I won’t take up so much space on here after the dust settles, but I’m having a hard time getting my mind around the enormity of what’s happening with Fannie and Freddie and what it means, so I figure the best thing I can do is share what I know with others……
I came across this article in the Wall Street Journal which lays out a good “story” of what has transpired. I’m going to copy excerpts of it, but I’d urge you to read the whole thing…….
September 8, 2008
WASHINGTON — In the end, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had no choice.
Summoned to separate meetings on Sept. 5 with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and other top officials, the two mortgage giants were told they could either agree to a government takeover or one would be foisted upon them.
“We have the grounds to do this on an involuntary basis, and we will go that course if needed,” Mr. Paulson told senior executives at the two companies, who had little idea such a move was coming, according to three people familiar with the meetings.
There was no dramatic trigger, nor was there fear of imminent collapse. Instead, the sweeping government intervention stemmed from a growing realization by Treasury and Federal Reserve officials that the two companies couldn’t survive in their present forms, and that any collapse would be devastating to the economy.
The decision was hashed out over weeks of meetings…….
In the end, Mr. Paulson, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and James Lockhart, head of the companies’ regulator, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, concluded that the two companies had lost the confidence of the markets and couldn’t survive as currently structured. …..
Inside Treasury, the hope was that merely receiving authority to backstop the two companies would comfort markets enough that they could raise capital on their own. ……..
Two things would soon force Treasury’s hand. Uncertainty about Treasury’s plans and how any intervention would affect shareholders caused shares of Fannie and Freddie to fall sharply, making it all but impossible for them to raise equity. At the same time, government bank supervisors and Morgan Stanley bankers studying the loans that are guaranteed and owned by Fannie and Freddie determined that the companies were facing serious capital shortfalls…….
Inside Treasury, the working theory was that if they had to intervene, an equity investment would be the most likely course. Mr. Paulson and his staff debated the impact on shareholders, discussing whether to structure an investment that would benefit stockholders or one that would dilute them. If they made an investment, Mr. Paulson told his staff, he did not want it to benefit shareholders……..
Financial institutions, investors and other market participants were painting a grim picture: Investors weren’t going to invest more in the company unless Treasury kicked in some money, or made clear what would happen to those who did pony up funds.
Treasury asked how much money they’d need to inject. It soon became clear that no amount was going to be enough. If Treasury were to inject $10 billion, the market would want to see $20 billion. If Treasury put forth $20 billion, the market would want $30 billion.
At Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, executives were painting a much rosier picture. They insisted they could raise capital if Treasury would step in and provide some kind of support. Fannie Mae proposed that the government guarantee that new investors would be protected if the government later intervened — a move Fannie thought would help it raise money…….
The upshot: The companies were facing a deep financial hole. While their capital might meet the letter of regulatory requirements, they still might not have enough to cover their expected losses…..
Using assessments about what would happen to the housing market over the next 18 months, they determined that the companies were in need of much as $50 billion…….
At that point, Mr. Paulson and his staff began to realize an equity investment might not work. The companies needed so much capital that if Treasury were to go in, it would have to either wipe out shareholders or structure the investment on generous terms.
Morgan Stanley presented three options to Treasury: receivership; a less aggressive option called conservatorship, in which the government would essentially run the companies’ operations; and the even more incremental step of having the companies try to raise money on their own.
Fannie and Freddie were still able to fund themselves, but it was getting more expensive to do so. Foreign officials, whose central banks own Fannie and Freddie debt, were calling Mr. Paulson to express concern.
Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, said he was told by government officials that foreign investors were threatening to bail out. “There was a real fear that foreign governments would start dumping Fannie and Freddie…and not buy the bonds,” he said……..
The big decision came together during a marathon series of meetings over Labor Day weekend at Treasury’s offices. A dozen Treasury officials, including Mr. Paulson, gathered together with Mr. Bernanke, Fed Governor Kevin Warsh, the Fed general counsel and a top banking official and Mr. Lockhart’s team.
The group gathered in a conference room across from Mr. Paulson’s office at 8:30 a.m. that Saturday. They were dressed mostly in business-casual khakis and shirts. They began discussing their overarching principles, and evaluating the pros and cons of each option.
They recognized they only had bad alternatives, but agreed that the risks of doing nothing were too great. By late Saturday, they were leaning toward conservatorship as the best option. They spent the next two days thinking through legal and market implications. Mr. Paulson led the sessions. Mr. Bernanke and other top officials weighed in.
Treasury planned to tell the two companies about the plan last Friday, and complete it by Sunday, in time for the opening of Asian markets. Mr. Paulson needed one more thing: He pressed for Mr. Bernanke to issue a statement of support.
Mr. Lockhart, however, wanted more analysis. Without his approval, the takeover would not happen. After looking at data assembled by the Fed, the Office of Comptroller of the Currency and FHFA, Mr. Lockhart agreed that the companies were in a severe capital hole.
On Friday, Mr. Mudd, Fannie’s CEO, and Richard Syron, the Freddie Mac’s chief executive, were summoned to FHFA’s offices in Washington for separate meetings. Messrs. Lockhart, Paulson and Bernanke sat on one side of the conference room table. Company executives sat on the other side.
Mr. Lockhart spoke first, telling the firms that they were going be taken over. Mr. Paulson then told the executives they could go along willingly, or FHFA would declare them undercapitalized and take them over involuntarily…….
“Paulson said, ‘Accept or it will happen,’ ” Mr. Syron told the board, according to a person familiar with the matter.
–Damian Paletta, Aaron Lucchetti, Matthew Karnitschnig and James R. Hagerty contributed to this article.
Dave says:
It will be very interesting to see how the markets react in the morning. This huge news went right by 99% of America.
September 7, 2008 — 5:55 pm
Sean Purcell says:
50 Billion Dollars! I am dying to know how they arrived at that number. And who is the “they” – Morgan Stanley? Let’s think about this for a moment. “They” are suggesting that over 10% of Fannie & Freddie’s portfolio is going to lose 100% of its value? If not, what percentage of failure are they working with to get to a point where 10% of the total portfolio is under capitalized? Does that strike anyone else as dubious?
September 7, 2008 — 6:17 pm
Greg Swann says:
My question: Is there a secondary mortgage market tomorrow morning?
September 7, 2008 — 6:25 pm
Tom Vanderwell says:
Greg,
From my experience (and what I’m being told by others) the secondary market for jumbos is dried up. If (BIG IF) you believe that the government’s aim in doing this is to keep the secondary mortgage market going, then yes there will be a secondary mortgage market tomorrow on the conforming side of things.
That’s exactly the problem we have. Fannie and Freddie have grown so big and made mistakes that are coming back to haunt us all. If they were to fail, or even be perceived as failing, all of the people (read foreign countries) that buy Fannie and Freddie debt would sell or at least stop buying. Mortgage rates would skyrocket and the housing market would be in an even bigger world of hurt.
The secondary mortgage market will be there tomorrow, but I’ll be honest, after 20 years in this business, I don’t have a clue as to what rates are going to do…..
Tom
September 7, 2008 — 6:43 pm
Tom Vanderwell says:
Sean,
Actually, what it says to me is a couple of things:
1. Fannie and Freddie were (past tense, because all is well now, right? 🙂 in much worse shape than we all thought.
2. This is so far past a subprime problem and it’s really impacting prime mortgages in a much larger way than many expected. I had previously thought we might be in the 5th inning of this ball game, but that number tells me we might only be in the third inning.
3. That the time frames that the Treasury put into this “conservatorship” of the end of 2009 are way too short.
Going to be an interesting and wild ride.
Tom
September 7, 2008 — 6:50 pm
Mike says:
$1000.00 says that each of the forced-out executives gets a golden parachute.
September 7, 2008 — 6:50 pm
Sean Purcell says:
Greg,
Tom makes sense. I’d say your guess is as good as anyone’s. My take: this was done because of the perception that Fannie & Freddie were failing as much or more than any actual failure (not to mention it being a timely power grab). So the same people who reported that the sky was falling should feel more comfortable now that the sky has been propped up by our benevolent (and endlessly rich) uncle. It being a conservatorship over the other options intimates that they are going to try and run business as usual for the time being while they decide what permanent changes to make.
September 7, 2008 — 7:28 pm
Sean Purcell says:
Tom,
Only one thought to add: this has never been a sub-prime crisis in my opinion. The sub-prime problems were an indication of what was coming. This has been an option arm, ratings agency failure, poorly timed underwriting crisis of our prime lenders and the secondary investors that make it all work.
Brian Brady often comments about the cyclical nature of housing and how the time for u/w tightening was a little over two years ago. Right now is when the lenders should be opening up the doors to stated, 100% and so on. But banks are no better at choosing long term success over short term greed than most of us…
September 7, 2008 — 7:33 pm
myrtle beach rentals says:
I wondered the same thing – Tommorrow will there be a secondary mortgage market?
The way this looks to be going is? can we say centralized gonvernment banking?
September 7, 2008 — 8:16 pm
chris e says:
You just witnessed the PROBLEM this economy is having repeatedly for the last thirty years.
The feds want every one in the game to win in the back of the tax payers.
Those two organizations are not deferent than the banking establishment.
None of them has any interest in running smooth and efficient as DADDY, (the fed),will always bail them out using OUR MONEY.This was a very BAD move.I do not know what the Fed’s experts are thinking but a kid, that knows how to use a calculator, will tell you this is a BAD and expensive move.
I will care LESS what the analysts of the Wall Street are saying, (most of the time are wrong any way) and if investors pull out of the lending business.
Real estate always has considered and has been the cornerstone of wealth, if they do not want to joint that’s their loss.
September 7, 2008 — 9:03 pm
San Diego MLS says:
What would you have done?
September 7, 2008 — 9:40 pm
Greg Swann says:
> I promise I won’t take up so much space on here after the dust settles
Don’t apologize, Tom. You’re everyone’s hero. Bless you for taking on this burden.
September 7, 2008 — 10:48 pm
chris e says:
San Diego MLS
Let them fail and go WAAAAAAY.
I do NOT want to have to pay for them.
September 7, 2008 — 11:10 pm
Tom Vanderwell says:
Let them fail and go WAAAAAAY.
I do NOT want to have to pay for them.
Chris,
Would you rather pay for them with a 2 point jump in mortgage rates, an additional 40% drop in house prices, a 50% increase (additional) in foreclosures, and an additional 50% drop in home sales?
That’s the kind of doomsday scenario that would have happened if the government said, “let them fail.”
Tom
September 8, 2008 — 4:26 am
Anonymous says:
Let them fail and go WAAAAAAY.
I do NOT want to have to pay for them.
Chris,
Would you rather pay for them with a 2 point jump in mortgage rates, an additional 40% drop in house prices, a 50% increase (additional) in foreclosures, and an additional 50% drop in home sales?
That’s the kind of doomsday scenario that would have happened if the government said, “let them fail.”
Tom
Well said Tom. Not to mention the fact that it might not be in America’s best interest to keep poking China in the eye.
September 8, 2008 — 6:26 am
Todd says:
As a Consumer ( and a tax payer ) my question is:
Back when things were good, circa 2005, I never received a check from Fannie Mae ( or Bears Stearns for that matter ) but now I am expect to absorb the blow when things are bad. Ford and GM just asked for a 50 billion dollar bail out because they have been having a bad couple of quarters. A true free market economy would just let failing companies go under.
I thought this was a free market, pure capitalism economy. But if we privatize the profits and socialize the losses where just France. All the talk of the united States being a free market economy is apparently just a big lie when push comes to shove – we are a Socialist nation, where corporations do not have to show any profit because they know they’ll get bailed out.
Later today, I will ask all my creditors to not only relive me of my debt, but send me a $100,000.00 check to help me out because I am having a little trouble paying my bills. 🙂
Todd,
September 8, 2008 — 7:40 am
Dave says:
I think it is important to note that the true economists are admitting that they are not exactly sure how this will impact the tax-payer.
Sometimes you need to pick your poison. Footing the bill for a bail-out or paying 19% interest?
Later today, I will ask all my creditors to not only relive me of my debt, but send me a $100,000.00 check to help me out because I am having a little trouble paying my bills.
Funny you mention that. I got approval on two short sales (today) where the bank is “eating” over $50,000 on each loan. Todd, I agree whole-heartedly with your sentiment. But much of this problem is due to the consumer. No one wants to bail out the rich. No one wants to bail out the fiscally irresponsible (the poor). No one feels that any of this is “their” fault.
However, So what?
What can we do about it?
Let them fail?
Really?
Is that really what you want?
Think carefully, because there are no “take backs”.
The real question is what becomes of these entities five years from now?
Option A – Huge governmential organization
Option B – parceled off and privatized through a sale that satisfies all debts plus interest.
In my humble opinion, that is the 5.7 Trillion Dollar Question.
September 8, 2008 — 8:03 am
chris e says:
To Tom Vanderwell
The prices the marked experienced, were a result of uncotrolled irrisponcible lending practices by the same institutions that the tax payers are called to bail out now.Even if prices drop lower and foreclusures increase more than the feds are predicting,still I do not see the reason for the bail out. Real estate is very lucrative investenment and in time will appriciate again (allways has).I think the lending system needs to be scrapted and start new.In its current form is very expencive.The S and L crisis of the 90s is repeating it self.
September 8, 2008 — 8:26 am
Greg Swann says:
> All the talk of the united States being a free market economy is apparently just a big lie when push comes to shove – we are a Socialist nation
Feeling like you really were born yesterday? The U.S. has been a mixed-economy — essentially National Socialism (although I like to call it Rotarian Socialism) — for coming on a hundred years. As Ludwig von Mises pointed out — also coming on a hundred years ago — each new government intrusion in the putatively free economy is the cause of the next, still more severe intrusion in the progressively-less-free economy. The end consequence, if the progression is not reversed, is full-blown totalitarianism. The Berlin Wall came down almost twenty years ago, but Marxism still infests every economy of the earth.
September 8, 2008 — 9:18 am
Michael Cook says:
Again, great job Tom. As a “wall street” guy this is one of my pet peeves. People never seem to notice the great things Wall Street does, but loves to point out its failings after the fact. Before securitized mortgages and Fannie and Freddie, the rate of homeownership was extremely low and mortgages were 3-5 years in terms with a much higher downpayment. For all those who ask, “why should we paid now, when they gave us nothing…” I ask where have you been living the past 50 years.
Fannie and Freddie were intended to add liquidity to the mortgage process. When they started trying to do more than that and got into trouble, it costs everyone. The blame should be on the regulators and overseers who let them do it. There is not question that the world was better off having Fannie and Freddie for as long as we did and that the world is now better off after the government took them over. For those who think differently, please offer up suggestions on how a world with a bankrupt Fannie and Freddie would look better than what we have right now?!
If we are constantly going to blame Wall Street, at the very least give us credit for the good and the bad.
September 8, 2008 — 9:28 am
chris e says:
To Michael Cook
I disagree with you
“People never seem to notice the great things Wall Street does,”
Wall street benefited from investing in real estate,real estate did not.
Wall street was puring money in to the r.e. market creating enormous speculation and inflated prices.
The junk bond bonanza of the late 80s brought us the downfall of the 90s.The euphoria of the mid 2000s brought us here.
Today Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are trading as penny stocks.
I thing wall street and the banks are hugely responsible
and if the sold out politicians want to really help the consumer, have to FORCE a total reform of the banking system.If they don’t ten years from now, we will be having the same discussion and finger pointing.
September 8, 2008 — 4:30 pm