Last Tuesday I met with a potential real estate investor. She’s an investor because she’s got the money, the credit and the will to dip her toe in the water. She’s a potential investor because she has never yet been a landlord. That’s okay. I’ve worked with many potential investors, some of whom have gone on to own multiple properties, most of those — not all, alas — very successfully.
Mostly when I do these kinds of interviews, I talk about premium suburban single-family rental homes. This is normally the safest and most economical way to start a real estate investment plan in Phoenix. This is especially true right now, when the right rental home will be cash-flow positive from day one. Our rents are low but stable, and our home prices can be very low right now.
But I also talk about other income opportunities in real estate, if only because land-lording is not for everyone. I would not advise a first-time investor to take the plunge in a large multi-family community or a strip mall, but there are plenty of other ways to take advantage of our current market conditions.
An example? Flipping. Never was heard a more discouraging word right now, but flipping has a horrible reputation because ten bazillion TV-tycoons bought at the top of the market and sold their refurbished masterpieces at auction. Now, when entry prices are low and trending lower, a slow flipping strategy promises nice rewards.
Here’s one slow strategy: Find a great flip candidate at a rock-bottom price. Buy it to own as a rental, doing what you have to on the way in to make it marketable as a rental. Hold it in that state — with the monthly cash-flow covering your costs — until prices recover to your satisfaction. When the tenant’s lease expires, do the refurb and sell.
Here’s another one, a strategy that worked very well from 1997 to 2006: Buy your cheap refurb candidate and move into it. Redo the home slowly, room by room, especially when the materials for doing a particular room are very cheap. Sell it after you’ve owned it for five years or more. Take the remodeling costs off your basis and take the capital gain tax free.
There is a common investment idea behind both of these strategies: Buy low. Sell high. You can’t predict when you’ll be able to sell high, but you know for sure you can buy low right now. If the investment property is either self-amortizing or your own domicile, you can afford to wait for the market to turn.
Here’s a idea that makes me nuts:
That’s a small apartment community in Phoenix as seen by satellite. There are dozens of these in Central Phoenix, maybe hundreds. The way they work is a series of small structures is built around a common park-like courtyard, with the community pool in the middle. Most Phoenicians like single-family homes. Bigger apartment communities, with more community facilities, can appeal to younger people. But these little courtyard apartments are heaven on earth to a certain slice of the Phoenix demographic.
Why do they make me nuts? Because they’re the perfect small-investor urban redevelopment project. If you were to buy one of these communities, you could own it as a rental property until the youngest of the leases expires — or until prices improve. Then you could vacate and refurbish the whole place at once, converting small dowdy apartments into small in-town luxury condominiums.
Your market: Singles, empty-nesters, frequent out-of-town visitors, etc. Phoenix is undergoing an urban revival of sorts, but there is a limit to how far people are willing to stretch from this town’s cowboy-suburb roots. This kind of property represents a nice compromise between single-family living and the shared costs of a condominium plat.
Need a financing plan? Put 20% down and get the seller to carry back a note. Even better, get an investor to put the 20% down, and get another investor to commit to the refurbishing costs. As the Executive Partner, you have nothing committed but your ideas and your time. An even better way: Partner directly with the seller, getting him to put you on title. Borrow against the property to pay for the refurb. You handle the ideas, the execution and the marketing, and you split the proceeds. Either way, get the legal work done while you’re waiting out the market. The property can be a condominium regime long before the tenants know anything is up.
Here’s an even more ambitious plan. Because we work so much in the historic districts of Phoenix, we have a pretty good feel for which undervalued neighborhoods have the best potential for future revitalization. There is one neighborhood in Downtown Phoenix that makes me continuously crazy.
Why? Because it’s small enough that a concerted effort by a small group of investors could make a dramatic difference in home prices virtually overnight.
What I’m talking about is what people back east call a slum. Old, run-down houses owned by the most sclerotic kind of investors, who charge ridiculously low rents to people who may or may not be able to document their lawful residence in the United States. But where old, run-down houses are common back east, here they are rare, and, in the right circumstances, highly valued.
Here’s how this strategy works: A dozen or more investors go into the neighborhood and buy up properties one by one. This might work best as a buy-and-hold, as above, to wait for the market to recover. The homes can be had very cheaply, in any case. Once we’re ready to start, we move the tenants out and begin the refurbishing. We talk to the owner-occupant neighbors, telling them what we’re doing and offering them advice about remodeling they can do to keep pace with the neighborhood.
At the end of a year, we will have refurbished more than 20% of the homes in the neighborhood, turning them into the kind of high-value luxury historics that urban homesteaders love. With luck, we will have bought a dozen more homes for a second wave of refurbs. By the end of the third year, we will have turned the neighborhood completely around, creating by sheer force of will a brand new high-priced historic enclave in Phoenix.
Now the point of this post is not to actually get you to bring your money to Phoenix so I can invest it for you — although if you want to do that, I have a lot of other cool ideas.
But my point is this: All over America, real estate is selling for historic low prices. That’s sad for the people who lost what they had, and sad for their banks and their banks’ investors. But there are huge opportunities waiting for people with sense enough to dry their tears and get to work.
You can buy low right now. You can’t sell high now, but the market will turn. If you can buy and hold properties now, you can refurbish and sell them later at very nice profits. I can drive you through Phoenix and show you one opportunity after another. I’m sure you can do this, too, in your own town. If you have the money to invest yourself, so much the better. If not, start accumulating teams of investors and contractors and start working out game plans.
It’s raining soup, as always. It’s time to get out in the world and bring home some dinner.
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Mortgage Samson says:
That is a great business plan if the property can cash flow or at least come close to breaking even.
August 17, 2008 — 1:57 pm
Cheryl Johnson says:
…and as long as Phoenix doesn’t vote in Rent Control… π
August 17, 2008 — 4:28 pm
Mortgage Samson says:
In my mind there seems to be something borderline unconstitutional about ‘rent control’. It smells a little too Karl Marx.
Of course, he might also have been a fan of the recent Housing Bill. Doh!
August 17, 2008 — 5:52 pm
Robert Kerr says:
I always like to ask the can’t-lose, sure-fire, this-will-cashflow-from-Day-1 pitchmen: “How many of these have *you* bought into?”
Because the reality is: a lot of ideas get pitched as can’t-lose when it’s someone else’s money on the table … and that’s especially true when the pitchman stands to gain from the transaction itself.
A response of “none” is a big, red flag.
How many, Greg?
August 17, 2008 — 8:05 pm
Greg Swann says:
I don’t always get to make the choice, but the rental homes I have picked for my investors have done very well at staying rented. I’m sorry if that’s a disappointment to you.
In the same respect, the investment opportunities I’m talking about are very real and very ripe. There are no guarantees in life, but it’s hard to beat the entry prices. Take note: I refused all new business from investors for more than two years. I only started working with new investors again in the past few months — this because it is once again possible for residential rental real estate in the Phoenix area to self-amortize.
> βHow many of these have *you* bought into?β
Zero, Robert. I’m a small real estate broker who survived the last two years. I not only don’t have capital to invest, I’m carrying a lot of new debt.
But: That doesn’t make me wrong. Your standard of judgement is specious, at best. The fact that I don’t have money of my own to invest does not imply that I do not have the skills to identify good investments — nor would my having capital automatically confer upon me the judgement to invest it wisely.
But: Give us two more months like August and my mother and Cathleen’s mother will each have supplemental income from rental homes that we will be able to buy for cash — not because we’re rich, but because the houses are selling so cheaply.
But just because it happens to be raining soup doesn’t mean you have to eat it, Robert. I’m not selling anything here, I’m just talking about the opportunities most people will miss because they’re so busy hoarding their nickels they let their dollars fly away on the winds.
August 17, 2008 — 8:30 pm
cottages and castles says:
And do you know about how to build house just for $8000 in the UK? π Yes, it is real. If you want, I can share an article with you. It is quite interesting. I was an experiment from famous architector, but still, a lot of people follow his advice.
August 18, 2008 — 2:06 am
Rob Hahn says:
Greg – seriously, posts like these are why I have BHB in my reader. Thank you. Great work.
A question for you.
What is the current market rent for Phoenix, on average?
Vacancy rate?
Demo trends? Some news articles are claiming Phoenix area is shedding residents as illegal aliens head elsewhere — any truth to that, based on your on-the-ground observations?
-rsh
August 18, 2008 — 3:36 pm
Greg Swann says:
> posts like these are why I have BHB in my reader
Imagine! Real estate at a real estate site! π
> What is the current market rent for Phoenix, on average?
A newer suburban 3/2 should go for $800 to $1,050. A 4/2 is $900 to $1,150. More in nicer neighborhoods. Much less in not-nice neighborhoods, but I don’t let investors go into neighborhoods that won’t appreciate when we recover. I tend to work rental properties in the West Valley, and I know those towns subdivision by subdivision.
> Vacancy rate?
I confess I don’t even know how this is calculated. My solution is to pick houses that will stay rented and will sell well to owner-occupants on the way out. I represented tenants for two years when I started, and I learned a lot about what doesn’t work in rental homes. I teach my investors a very hard-line approach to tenant selection, and my belief is that the right house rented to the right tenants will make for a good investment regardless of what the rest of the rental market does.
> Demo trends? Some news articles are claiming Phoenix area is shedding residents as illegal aliens head elsewhere β any truth to that, based on your on-the-ground observations?
I’m sure this must be true. Arizona passed a law at the start of 2008 that requires employers to verify documentation, so I gather a lot of indocumentados left the state. This may account for a lot of the REOs, although I don’t know that first-hand. We add a huge number of new residents every year, and high heating costs will only accelerate that trend. Phoenix will do its boom and bust dance, but between now and 2040, we should grow by about 250% Valleywide.
These are good questions, and I wish I had more thorough answers. We work niche products — historic, distinctive and luxury listings in Central Phoenix, similar homes for buyers, premium rentals for investors. The kind of investments I’m talking about are niche-focused, too: Small apartment communities or historic districts in town. To get a premium return on a real estate investment, you have to focus on where the market premium for an investment exceeds its cost. I joke here that we live in the last affordable ghetto in North Central Phoenix, but it’s really the truth: We bought our house in a neighborhood that affluent North Central has to grow into, raising our home’s value faster than the rest of the market. There are two streets in our neighborhood that will do even better, relatively speaking, than our street. Those two streets are ripe with excellent flip candidates — their value, flipped, substantially exceeds the costs. That’s the kind of stuff we pay attention to, so I don’t know much about median prices or low-end housing.
August 18, 2008 — 4:54 pm
Robert Kerr says:
Oh, crap. In retrospect, on review, my post comes across as damned obnoxious. My apologies, I didn’t mean it that way. Honestly, it read much better when I originally wrote it.
August 18, 2008 — 7:44 pm
Greg Swann says:
No, you’re not wrong, Robert. It is a reasonable question to ask. From my own point of view, if I were actively investing, I would be looking to see how little of my own money I could put in the kitty and still get paid on the back end, but your due diligence is not misplaced. Meanwhile, I’ve got a taste for a nothing-down hard-money flip. It’s been years since there was this kind of upside in Phoenix. π
August 18, 2008 — 8:13 pm
Rob Hahn says:
Let me see what I can dig up.
This is from Trulia Voices and dated October of 2007:
Yeah, that’s pretty good numbers. More recent vintage:
Hmmm…. And according to Trulia, the media sale price in North Phoenix is $220K. If your rent figures come to about $1K a month, or $12K per year…. That’s only about 5.4% annual return on equity. (Not taking maintenance, vacancy, taxes, etc. into account.)
Still not all that attractive really. Over a 5 year horizon, assuming prices just stabilize @ inflation, you’re looking at $60K in cashflow less whatever your mortgage payments, opportunity cost from the down payment, and other costs. If you buy with cash, then it’s $60K less whatever your $220K would have earned in the stock market — call it 8% annually in some conservative bond fund or something — and other costs.
You’d have to show either (a) prices falling further, to about $120K, where the $12K in rent is now 10% annual ROE; or (b) rent going up due to the low vacancy rates; or (c) home prices rebounding, such that when you dispose in five year’s time, you get more than the $220K you’ve put into it. Or all three, which would be nice. π
That’s really rough math — I’m sure there are calculators that can get pretty specific, but based on these ‘back of the napkin’ calculations, I’m thinking Phoenix still has a ways to go.
Am I missing something here?
-rsh
August 18, 2008 — 8:14 pm
Greg Swann says:
> Am I missing something here?
You’re paying way too much. The homes in that post aren’t good rental candidates, by me, because most have pools and a pool is just a way for an investor to buy yet another house for a personal injury attorney. But subtract the pools and decent rental homes get even cheaper.
Watch this: This is a house I’m looking at tomorrow. I don’t know that I like it, but let’s assume I do. I have it appreciating at 4% a year over eight years, which may not be reasonable. But it pays its own way until it does experience some appreciation. It’s $24,000 of entry costs that might be doing better elsewhere — or that money might do better in real estate than I’m projecting.
What’s interesting to me is that if you have $15,000 or more in cash plus credit you can borrow against, you can own a nice rental home in suburban Phoenix that will more than cover all of its costs while you own it. Will there be growth in values any time soon in Phoenix? Can’t say. But if there is, your $15,000 can become $60,000 very quickly.
BTW, in support of Sean Purcell, this kind of analysis is money in the bank with investors.
August 18, 2008 — 8:42 pm
Rob Hahn says:
Greg – that worksheet is seriously awesome. I bow in your general direction.
Yeah, and at a $120K purchase price, things become a lot more interesting. I’m still not sure I buy the 4% annual appreciation over 8 years, but as you point out, the market will turn around at some point. It’s just a matter of timing.
I suppose one other issue is going to be comparing the 11.56% return over 8 years to other investment vehicles, like equities. Granted, none of those provide the tax benefits, but you can calculate for that.
BTW, land is damn cheap in Phoenix. Or maybe it’s not, but I live in NJ, the home of the $600K per acre land price. π
-rsh
August 18, 2008 — 9:12 pm
Greg Swann says:
> that worksheet is seriously awesome
Built by Andrea Laue at the CRS office in Chicago. You may never hear me say another nice thing about any tentacle of the NAR, but Andrea Laue is my hero.
> BTW, land is damn cheap in Phoenix.
Can be. The tradeoff is picking homes near schools, jobs, freeways, etc. — homes that are appealing to tenants and not just owner occupants willing to drive forever to own a home. Many of the investors who got burned in this bust bought where homes were very cheap, but not very appealing to tenants. I won’t work with investors who are penny-wise and pound-foolish. For one thing, I want for my landlords to make a lot of money and buy more homes.
Here’s another difference from New Jersey (or California, for that matter): 22 days to evict. For a property that rents well, evictions can be a profit center. Contra-indicated, because there’s always the risk of damage on the way out, but the forfeited deposits can more than cover the costs of the detainer action.
One more: I have a lease addendum that I share with my landlords that socializes many of the everyday costs of ownership to the tenant. For instance, the landlord buys a home warranty and the tenant agrees to make the service calls and pay the $40 deductible. Tenant selection is everything, but with the right tenants a rental house starts to feel to the landlord like a triple-net office building.
August 18, 2008 — 10:21 pm
Paul Francis, CRS says:
Greg,
I love the Melrose concept – something we could def. use in Vegas but there are so few of them even built.. much less available.. send me props as shown above please.
Thanks!
(Oh.. My main guy that supplies the cash is going to want me to move in and manage the place so I’m going to need a place to hang my license .. The closer to ASU, the better :)…
August 19, 2008 — 12:59 am