“A political party – it’s like a sausage grinder; it grinds all the heads up together into one mash, and then it turns them out, link by link, into fatheads and meatheads!” –Henrik Ibsen, An Enemy of the People
Further notice, simply because the burden of genius, especially superhuman genius, cannot be easy to bear. “Affect” is accusative. It implies an action upon or toward and takes a direct object. “Effect” is ablative, implying the activity of an indirect object moving down or away or apart from something else. An event that “effects good people in bad ways” could be a description of the birth of twins, possibly in an elevator, although it more truly implies manufacturing defects down at the replicant plant. And that explains a lot, actually…
The difference between affect and effect. Very nice. These poor usage, poor definition types of problems can happen everywhere.
Why, just a couple of days ago I found two of my favorites in one post and attendant comments right here on BHB. The author related how they were nauseous (effecting in me sympathy for those unlucky enough to pass by and become nauseated) while a commenter agreed that something had been decimated (affecting the other 90%… we are left to wonder.) 🙂
> These poor usage, poor definition types of problems can happen everywhere.
Hmm… There’s a difference between not knowing the meaning of a word and not understanding the idea of declension. Discursive prose is thought, and grammar is the map of the mind. Who does not master grammar — at least by the habit of persistent reading and writing — cannot have an orderly mind.
There’s a difference between not knowing the meaning of a word and not understanding the idea of declension
With the utmost respect, I suggest it is a distinction without a difference. If you understand the correct meaning of the words affect & effect you will not violate declensive rules (whether you are able to articulate them or not).
Further, declension is quite arcane in regard to the Enlish language as spoken in this country. I understand that effect is ablative, but that is a tertiary construct don’t you think. Much simpler to say the result of an action of effect is to create vs the result of an action of affect, which alters something extant.
I don’t believe nauseous or decimate have any declination issues at all. Both instances of misuse reflect a general ignorance of the respective definitions (although the latter hints at the utter lack of etymological interest found in most adults today).
An event that “effects good people in bad ways” could be a description of the birth of twins, possibly in an elevator, although it more truly implies manufacturing defects down at the replicant plant
One of the wittiest retorts I have ever read. Brilliant…
> One of the wittiest retorts I have ever read. Brilliant…
Bless you, sir. If you go and parse the post I was tweaking, you will be amazed at all the many nonsensical things it manages to say without actually saying anything. We call them Agent Shortbus at home, but normally I don’t tease them for their linguistic and logical infelicities. For hubris to be fair game for ridicule, it ought to have at least some basis in reality.
Brad Coy says:
dead end link
July 16, 2008 — 11:06 pm
Greg Swann says:
> dead end link
Yup.
July 16, 2008 — 11:08 pm
Michelle DeRepentigny says:
Read this afternoon after twitter alert from Lani, but now the post is gone.
July 17, 2008 — 12:11 am
Cheryl Johnson says:
Sorry, no posts matched your criteria.
I’d call it a rather Zen-like absence of hyperbole.
Musta been a good one.
July 17, 2008 — 4:27 am
Eric Blackwell says:
@Cheryl- (grin) The sound of one hand clapping, grasshoppah… it was.
Eric
July 17, 2008 — 5:51 am
Thomas Johnson says:
Sanctimonious Genius, The irony of it all.
July 17, 2008 — 7:38 am
Greg Swann says:
> Sanctimonious Genius, The irony of it all.
More on sausage-making:
“A political party – it’s like a sausage grinder; it grinds all the heads up together into one mash, and then it turns them out, link by link, into fatheads and meatheads!” –Henrik Ibsen, An Enemy of the People
July 17, 2008 — 7:59 am
Greg Swann says:
Further notice, simply because the burden of genius, especially superhuman genius, cannot be easy to bear. “Affect” is accusative. It implies an action upon or toward and takes a direct object. “Effect” is ablative, implying the activity of an indirect object moving down or away or apart from something else. An event that “effects good people in bad ways” could be a description of the birth of twins, possibly in an elevator, although it more truly implies manufacturing defects down at the replicant plant. And that explains a lot, actually…
July 17, 2008 — 10:54 am
Teri Lussier says:
The link is no longer dead?
July 17, 2008 — 5:25 pm
Eric Blackwell says:
Looks like Benn redirected it to the home page of AG?
July 17, 2008 — 5:42 pm
Michelle DeRepentigny says:
Not a redirect per se, it looks like once “that post” was removed, the next post was assigned that page number for permalink.
July 17, 2008 — 5:57 pm
Sean Purcell says:
Ahhh Greg,
The difference between affect and effect. Very nice. These poor usage, poor definition types of problems can happen everywhere.
Why, just a couple of days ago I found two of my favorites in one post and attendant comments right here on BHB. The author related how they were nauseous (effecting in me sympathy for those unlucky enough to pass by and become nauseated) while a commenter agreed that something had been decimated (affecting the other 90%… we are left to wonder.) 🙂
July 17, 2008 — 7:24 pm
Greg Swann says:
> These poor usage, poor definition types of problems can happen everywhere.
Hmm… There’s a difference between not knowing the meaning of a word and not understanding the idea of declension. Discursive prose is thought, and grammar is the map of the mind. Who does not master grammar — at least by the habit of persistent reading and writing — cannot have an orderly mind.
July 17, 2008 — 9:05 pm
Sean Purcell says:
There’s a difference between not knowing the meaning of a word and not understanding the idea of declension
With the utmost respect, I suggest it is a distinction without a difference. If you understand the correct meaning of the words affect & effect you will not violate declensive rules (whether you are able to articulate them or not).
Further, declension is quite arcane in regard to the Enlish language as spoken in this country. I understand that effect is ablative, but that is a tertiary construct don’t you think. Much simpler to say the result of an action of effect is to create vs the result of an action of affect, which alters something extant.
I don’t believe nauseous or decimate have any declination issues at all. Both instances of misuse reflect a general ignorance of the respective definitions (although the latter hints at the utter lack of etymological interest found in most adults today).
July 18, 2008 — 10:29 am
Sean Purcell says:
PS
An event that “effects good people in bad ways” could be a description of the birth of twins, possibly in an elevator, although it more truly implies manufacturing defects down at the replicant plant
One of the wittiest retorts I have ever read. Brilliant…
July 18, 2008 — 10:33 am
Greg Swann says:
> One of the wittiest retorts I have ever read. Brilliant…
Bless you, sir. If you go and parse the post I was tweaking, you will be amazed at all the many nonsensical things it manages to say without actually saying anything. We call them Agent Shortbus at home, but normally I don’t tease them for their linguistic and logical infelicities. For hubris to be fair game for ridicule, it ought to have at least some basis in reality.
July 18, 2008 — 10:46 am