Turns out I learned about the whole lead generation thing painlessly and without knowing what I was learning. The best part was how it led to meeting so many cool folks of the estrogen persuasion. As a newly unattached 40-something guy in San Diego, I hadn’t dated since Nixon was in office. It was 1999 — I didn’t need a primer, I needed a new chip installed. Talk about clueless? I missed out on three very nice ladies ‘cuz I didn’t know ‘Why don’t we catch a cup of coffee some time’ was a clear sign of possible romantic interest. I just thought women these days were big time coffee fans. Thankfully the higher tech ladies in the office, when they stopped laughing and could breathe again, gave me the heads up on what was what.
It’s the same thing in lead generation. The goal is different. There’s not as much coffee or dancin’, but it’s the same thing.
Early on, it’s my opinion the agent/LO must decide with what kinda leads they wish to work. I see it as two well defined choices.
A. High quantity — must sift through for the quality lead — stellar system needed.
B. Few leads — very high quality — high conversion rate.
The initial requirement was to develop a viable Purposeful Plan. The first two questions you must answer — Where are you now? Where do you wanna be?
I was single — I didn’t wanna be single.
First thing the office ladies told me was to join some online dating services. (I’m not the bar type.) Within 24 hours I was the proud member of four sites. Then they all looked at my profile and said it simply wasn’t cuttin’ it. Had to talk more about my kids. And it wouldn’t hurt to mention I didn’t live in Mom’s basement, did have my own car, made more than $10/hr, and knew how to use real silverware. Done. By the way, I absolutely refused to say how much I liked long walks on the beach. I had my standards, and wanted to keep my Man Card.
They actually voted on the pictures I was to upload. They also gave me the heads up on how to search, (prospect?) and how to deal with incoming messages (contact forms?). See? Just like the RE.net. Leads come in, and we respond. Also, we go out and hunt for new business. The dating ‘search’ was akin to blogging, company website, or whatever else is used.
The aforementioned is almost exactly analogous to our online efforts as RE agents/brokers/loan officers. We reach out — show our best side — generate leads.
There was order to the process.
1. Meet lead online. We do this all the time now, don’t we? A lead comes in from your blog, company website, or some other source. Back then, we went back and forth a bit using the site’s messaging service.
2. Communicate back & forth ’till you either met in person or parted ways. We email back and forth with leads, right? Some turn out cold, some maybes, and some are ready to go. They wanna meet you.
3. Meeting is cool — you’re now ‘belly to belly’ getting to know each other. Back then, I was scared #$%less my first couple times. That’s when my office mentors (womentors?) really stepped up for me. Told me what to do, say, avoid, etc. It was like they turned me from Neanderthal to Not Quite A Pig Man. ‘Course, don’t get me wrong here — I still didn’t have clue #1. When we meet online-generated leads, we know it’s our turn at bat. They’ve decided we’ve shown enough game to at least meet. We do our best to show them they were right.
4. Some meetings were short — no sale — not a match — seeya later. This is why my helpers told me to just meet ’em for coffee. No muss, no fuss, and absolutely non-threatening. My daughter helped me with that one too. Said I couldn’t come on ‘all BawldGuy’ at first. (Thanks BabyDoll) Some didn’t cotton to me, some weren’t my type, and sometimes we both knew it was a no-go from first sight.
Just like real estate.
5. Some meetings morphed into plans to meet again — bonding a bit — impending client status? If, after talking for awhile, the lead believes you know which way is up, they’ll agree to go to the next level. A buyer may agree to set an appointment, or even sign a buyer agreement. A seller may agree to a listing presentation. A woman may decide dinner is the next logical step.
6. This was when the Firestones began to hit the pavement. A real first date. The lead has agreed to pursue doing business with you. You take the listing — or begin showing homes in earnest. (Use ‘loans’ if you’re an LO.) If in their eyes you walk your talk, you’re on the way to what we all call a ‘converted lead’.
This is when I began to see things more clearly. Sure, I was ‘converting’ some leads, but not the kind of conversion I was looking for.
Some clients buy the first place you show them. Some wanna look awhile longer. But at this point, if the first ‘date’ went reasonably well, listing their home, or selling them one was probably more likely than not.
Short Digression
While doing the dating thing, I met ‘leads’ at the same Starbucks 99% of the time. The clerks quickly figured out what was up, and one of the older ones asked if he could give me his ratings. Sure, the Neanderthal in me said, ‘Why not?’ He would wait ’till I paid for the coffee, and the lady was looking elsewhere. At that point he’d flash one or two thumbs up, or down. Sometimes he’d wrinkle his brow while wobbling both hands in the universal sign for, ‘Dude, I don’t get it.’
One Sunday afternoon I went there alone to read a book and relax. Pretty soon I heard a familiar voice, and turned around to see my daughter and her mom. My ex said, ‘She’s gotta find a book, (this store shared a wall with bookstore) so why don’t you buy me some coffee?’ You’re way ahead of me, aren’t ya? Sure enough, as I’m leaving the cash register, I glance back and he’s giving me two thumbs as up as enthusiastically as he can, while grinning ear to ear. I then make the ‘X’ sign with my fingers — just as my ex turns to look.
To my immeasurable relief, all she said was, ‘Two thumbs up I hope’. My daughter had ratted me out. So much for the Daddy’s Girl thing.
End Digression
Besides closed transactions, long term relationships are what we want from our leads. Heck, we’d like to do a transaction that closes, right? We’d like to convert as many as possible, then get referrals from them. Sometimes what we’re doing to obtain leads works, but we learn the leads aren’t what we were looking to generate. This is crucial to recognize. Agents often find out their blogs and/or websites turn out many dozens of leads weekly, but the quality isn’t up to snuff — wasting much of their time if their system isn’t efficient. It’s not that they aren’t doing business, but the lead quality they’d like to improve.
Wasted time equals less converted leads.
The question for me was: Do I want quantity or quality? Do you as an agent want a dozen or more leads daily, having to go through them to find the precious few who’re actually serious? You did 4-8 deals a month, which is definitely not a sharp stick in the eye. Would you rather get a couple dozen quality leads monthly, and do 8-12 deals a month? I decided I’d trade bigger numbers for higher quality and an increased conversion rate.
I prefer the quality approach. That said, if agent ‘A’ does 100 deals getting 20 leads daily, and agent ‘B’ does 100 deals getting 15 leads monthly — the cat? Well it’s still skinned, right? Right. Who cares? It’s the same 100 skins. I’m not saying those who generate a myriad leads daily are doing anything wrong. What I am saying is when that road is chosen, the sifting process better be world class.
Russell Shaw is the perfect example of high quantity leads with a world class ‘sifting’ system.
It was the answer to that question that drove me to change dating sites. I dumped my initial memberships and joined a site with an entirely different agenda. An agenda more in tune with my own Purposeful Plan. The leads dwindled to a pretty low number, but each one was absolutely a potential long term conversion. The quality was substantially improved. These leads wanted what I had to offer and vice versa. At first I missed the ‘sifting’ process, but then my womentors threatened to mutiny if I went back to what they called the cattle call. Almost lost my Man Card for that.
Folks who read me and know me well, also know if anything, I’m results oriented.
The new site provided just a few quality leads. Also, by then I’d decided since the leads were of much higher quality, I’d move first meetings from Starbucks to Baker’s Square, a local neighborhood coffee shop serving incredible French Silk pie. Always trying to improve the odds for conversion.
There was a lady out there who also had a mentor. He’d guided her to the same quality oriented site.
The leads were greatly reduced in quantity. I met only about 10-12 ladies there, and only met 3-4 in person. A few leads women later I found myself eating French Silk across the table from The Boss.
That was five years ago this past June 15th.
I’ve been opting for the quality lead ever since. Go figure.
Brad Coy says:
Man I always picked the bohemian dives in the Village or Uptown Euro cafes. No wonder it took so long.
Now your on. Bring the “Ricky Nelson” big haired photo and the dating profile. Drinks ARE on me. 🙂
Great story!
July 2, 2008 — 1:52 am
Howard says:
Great analogy!
But the key is the sifting process – sorting the wheat from the chaff and not missing good quality leads.
July 2, 2008 — 3:34 am
Teri Lussier says:
>I’m not saying those who generate a myriad leads daily are doing anything wrong. What I am saying is when that road is chosen, the sifting process better be world class.
Excellent point, and hardly ever examined. Our training, my training anyway, is so focused on numbers, but rarely on how to deftly sift.
July 2, 2008 — 4:38 am
Vance Shutes says:
Jeff,
An awesome weaving of your personal story into a “message” for the rest of us! Thank you, and congratulations (both to you, and “The Boss”).
July 2, 2008 — 6:22 am
Don Reedy says:
Jeff,
When I was single and lived with a bunch of Navy F-14 pilots in Coronado, we’d go off “prospecting” on quite a regular basis. During that time I lived in a home with two roommates, a manager at the Brigantine, and a beautiful gal who eventually married a San Diego Charger and moved away to surburbia.
During that time I learned about quality prospecting versus quantity prospecting, and my beautiful roommate helped school me in the art of the “wingman.” I’m glad to see that WIKI now explains this all, but back then, it seemed all so new.
Simply put, a wingman is there to help, often by supplying a diversion that distracts your prey, or in our case today, our prospects. If I walk into a bar “cold”, even when I’m on my game, it’s hard to break through the initial contact and turn that suspect into a prospect. Sound familiar? But, if my wingman first “tells the suspect something good about me”, well, it’s Red Baron time!
This is akin to what we do with networking, social networking in particular, where we meet others through others we know, and we do it all comfortably and transparently rather than with bombastic gamesmanship.
I love your analogy, mostly because it’s honest, painfully and wonderfully true. I love your story because it refreshes my memory, encourages a purpose, and illuminates a path for more to follow.
July 2, 2008 — 6:45 am
Arn Cenedella says:
Hi Jeff:
Good story – I met my sweetheart on line too. Yes it was quite the business funnel approach. 🙂 4.5 years later, we are happier than ever. My kids (now 18 and 21) were also part of the equation.
Great analogy to real estate lead generation. I have been blogging for about a year now and have few leads to show for it (I know I know, you have keep at it!) but most of my business comes from referral by keeping in touch with those folks – phone calls, notes and face to face – building long-term relationships turning those folks into advocates and in return I get high quality though not high quantity leads.
I am throwing my 3rd annual client party at the SF Giants July 20th game for about 50 friends and clients. Trust me, nothing better for building relationships than spending the day at the park with your friends.
Being fortunate to sell residential real estate on the San Francisco Peninsula, 20 to 25 transactions a year are just fine with me.
I too will take quality over quantity any time.
Haven’t quite figured out how to make my on-line presence work for me but after 30 years in the RE biz, I do not want my business or approach to become stale.
July 2, 2008 — 7:22 am
Greg Swann says:
Just brilliant. That was a fun read.
July 2, 2008 — 8:15 am
Bridget Magnus says:
Ok, nice story.
So then what is your “quality over quantity” lead generation strategy? You clearly aren’t cold-calling.
July 2, 2008 — 8:32 am
Bawldguy Talking says:
Brad — I So wish the profile was still around. It’s long gone.
I’ll bring the pic w/hair, as it’s a classic. Ricky had nothin’ on me. And for the record, I drink Glenlivet on the rocks, with a bit of water.
July 2, 2008 — 10:12 am
Bawldguy Talking says:
Howard — If you’re gonna generate truckloads of leads, your sifter better be reliable and fine tuned.
July 2, 2008 — 10:14 am
Brian Brady says:
Online dating sites were the original Web 2.0 platform- great story
July 2, 2008 — 10:46 am
Evan Chase says:
Loved your post! You are one of only a few men that “Get It” when it comes to online dating sites!
Applying a sales and marketing approach to online dating is my primary business and also responsible for me meeting “The” High Quality Woman!
Would you be open to a phone interview about your online dating experience and how you applied lead-gen to dating? I would love for my members to hear the story!
Tweet me here if we can talk: http://twitter.com/evanchase
Evan
July 2, 2008 — 12:09 pm
Russell Shaw says:
As my friend, Jeff Brown likes to say, “You knocked it right out of the park with this one”. Damn!
July 2, 2008 — 1:03 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
Thanks Russell — Hearing good stuff from you and Greg for the same post. Ah, good times.
July 2, 2008 — 5:18 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
Brian — Would love to hear some of your stories. Thanks
July 2, 2008 — 5:20 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
Evan — Can’t wait ’till my kids see your comment. When they stop laughing, I’ll get back to you.
Also, gonna send this post to the office sweeties who helped me so much. They’ll get a huge kick just thinking of me being interviewed as an online dating guy.
July 2, 2008 — 5:24 pm
Sue says:
Great post and analogy. I guess “Happy Anniversary” would be in order soon as well. I like the idea of quality vs. quantity…might as well focus on the better leads and not spin our wheels. I’m not a great sifter. Dare you share more…what are areas to tweak or change…hints?
July 2, 2008 — 6:31 pm
Doug Quance says:
I think this post needs to be tagged “Enduring Interest” – as it will be as fresh and pertinent in ten years, just as it is today.
Way to go Bawldy. And the Boss.
July 2, 2008 — 6:53 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
Bridget >So then what is your “quality over quantity” lead generation strategy? You clearly aren’t cold-calling.
By the end of this year the plan is to write a series of posts outlining my firm’s stem to stern marketing overhaul. We’re in the third inning now. It’s just short of daunting, as you might suspect.
I’m still a strong advocate of cold, or better yet, ‘warm’ calling. As my co. is inches from its reentry into our own local market, one of the engines driving our marketing will be the same thing that worked for Dad back in ’59: Postcards/letters followed up by ‘warm’ calls. Of course we have several more bullets we’re about ready to fire.
Wanna know why folks in the house biz sometimes don’t like guys like me? ‘Cuz I know why they’re telling me cold calling, door knocking, and mailing are what dinosaurs do. They live in the constant fear of rejection/failure. I love the new 2.0 tools, and use them — will be using more of them. But I have a trainee who’ll begin prospecting for the first time ever later this month. He’ll trip over six figures by the holiday season, and his method? Postcards/warm calls. Go figure.
Let’s take the period 1/97-7/06. There wasn’t a year in that decade+ when I totaled more than 100-200 leads. Not one year. The conversion rate was relatively high though, due to the interest level of the prospect.
Whatever gets you consistently in front of people who can tell you to go to hell — Keep doing it.
July 2, 2008 — 7:37 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
Thanks so much, Doug. I’ll pass it on to The Boss.
July 2, 2008 — 7:39 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
Greg — I can retire now. 🙂 Thanks
July 2, 2008 — 7:41 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
Arn — I meet more and more couples who met and married from online sites, and I bet you do too.
Anyone who’s been through the thick and thin of the last 30 years gets my hat tipped to them. You’re the quintessential example of the Skinned Cat Axiom:
Nobody cares how you skinned the cat until they find out you actually skinned the cat.
You’ve been skinnin’ cats better than 98% of your competition now for three decades. I’m thinking you’re too modest. 🙂
July 2, 2008 — 8:03 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
Don — I love it. The Wingman approach.
The office ladies showed me forever more the woman as ‘wingman’ beats your buddy six ways from Sunday. 🙂
Your analogy comparing the wingman approach to social marketing hits the mark I think.
We’re too close to each other to not have shared a meal. What’d’ya say?
July 2, 2008 — 8:27 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
Sue — You’re right. Our 5th anniversary is just after Thanksgiving.
As for tweaking and hints. I’m gonna try to write a post. The ongoing problem is, everyone gets excited, then nobody actually does what it takes. I’ve been watchin’ that happen since my first day in the office as a teenager.
July 2, 2008 — 8:33 pm
Don Reedy says:
Jeff,
A Glenlivet on me, after the 4th. I’ll have my wingman call your wingman…….
Don
July 2, 2008 — 10:08 pm
Bawldguy Talking says:
You’re on.
July 2, 2008 — 10:17 pm