Galen Ward’s post on Trulia.com’s policy of adding “nofollow” tags to links back to its own listings partners has elicited quite a bit of controversy.
The original post itself excited a great deal of commentary, and this is explored in encyclopedic detail in a fascinating post by Union Street Media’s Gahlord Dewald.
Trulia.com’s Rudy Bachraty participated for a while in that comment thread, then elected to take the respondent’s side of the debate back to Trulia’s home weblog, where head honcho Pete Flint made an effort to put out the fire. Comments there have been noticeably light, which made me wonder if Trulia has learned ahead of the curve why video commenting is a stoopid idea.
The story was picked up by Inman News today.
I am in the perhaps unique position of being just barely smart enough to explain what’s going on within what might well seem to others to be a blizzard of jargon.
Start here: I observed that Trulia is achieving truly amazing long-tail search results.
In other words, you — or your broker or your brokerage chain — feed Trulia.com a real estate listing, the primary content it uses to sell advertising. That listing will link back to its source (in hierarchical order: brokerage chain, broker, then lowly you if neither of the others is coming between you and your listing). But that link will include a “nofollow” tag, which means that when search engines see that listing page on Trulia, they will not queue your own page for spidering, nor will they in any other way regard that link as lending any strength to your page.
In still other words, Trulia is happy to feast on your crackers, but it’s not about to share any of its Google juice with you.
Trulia’s claims about why it is not doing this are specious and bogus, in my opinion, but you can read their side of the story at their weblog.
Does this actually matter? I think so, for two reasons. First, the link back from Trulia.com to your web site will be a very high-authority link, very good for your own SEO. Second, if someone is entering a long-tail search term for your listing — for example, the exact street address — Trulia.com is doing everything it can to elbow you out of the way on search traffic for your own listings.
By contrast, Zillow.com does not add nofollow tags to links back to agent- or broker-supplied listings.
By contrasting contrast, for now Zillow is adding nofollow tags to the effectively unlimited links in the “About Me” section of user-supplied profiles (but not in the “Contact Information” section). In contrast to that, Trulia.com is not adding nofollow tags to profile links — except that profile links are hugely restricted on Trulia.com.
Is that much as clear as mud?
Let’s start here: This is a link to my profile as I wish it were appearing on Realty.bot sites.
This is that same profile on Zillow.com. They won’t let me put my pictures exactly where I want them, but mostly they’re staying out of my hair. For now, Zillow.com is adding nofollow tags to the profile links, but Zillow has said this is an error that they are in the process of correcting.
This is that same profile on Trulia.com. No photos, no links, no personality. The regimented links up at the top don’t have the nofollow tag, but all of my other links have been stripped out of the HTML.
My take on all of this, from the point of view of an SEO layman: Trulia.com is not being an honest broker about this. The clear intent of putting nofollow tags on listings supplied by agents, brokers and brokerage chains is to compete with or eclipse those suppliers on the long-tail search terms that should be coming directly to those suppliers.
If Trulia can grab the click first, it gets the ad revenue, and, possibly, also the added “featured listing” type of revenue. This is not nearly as odious a Chokepoint Charlie type of strategy as those deployed by lead vendors or Realtor.com, but it is of a piece with the same kind of thinking: Trulia.com wants to interpose itself between consumers of real estate services — buyers and sellers — and vendors of real estate services — agents, brokers and brokerages.
That by itself is not outrageous, but deliberately crippling the SEO results of its listing partners, in order to outpace them in search results, definitely is.
Zillow’s way of handling links back to listings is better — including its inversion of Trulia’s top-down hierarchy. Everyone supplying listings to Trulia.com should make their dissatisfaction with its practices known.
Technorati Tags: blogging, disintermediation, real estate, real estate marketing, technology
Joe Hayden says:
I read a reply to a post on this very blog from Mr. Zillow himself claiming we could add as many links as we wished to the “About Me” section because they were ‘followed’.
Something has changed in the last week…I understand you say this is a mistake, and I hope it is corrected soon.
May 5, 2008 — 8:30 pm
Greg Swann says:
> I read a reply to a post on this very blog from Mr. Zillow himself claiming we could add as many links as we wished to the “About Me” section because they were ‘followed’.
I don’t know if David Gibbons said anything like that, but I know I did. I was mistaken. I was conflating the profile links with the dofollow policy on listings. Zillow says they will have fixed the nofollow problem on profile links by the end of this week.
May 5, 2008 — 8:48 pm
Thomas Johnson says:
Here is a copy of an email I sent to Brenda Casserly, CEO of ERA and Bill Cogan our web guy:
Brenda and Bill: Please follow the link to the article I found on Bloodhound blog. It seems that Trulia is placing no follow tags on our listings that are fed from ERA.com. This practice is to the broker’s, the agent’s, and ultimately ERA’s detriment. Since we are a pioneer in feeding listing sites, it seems only fair that we should benefit fully from the listings we provide Trulia.
https://www.bloodhoundrealty.com/BloodhoundBlog/?p=3059
–
Tom Johnson
ERA Silver Star Realty
Sometimes you just gotta take it to the top. ERA has been the pioneer of the Realogy brands in feeding the listing sites. Realogy represents about 30% of the listings across 4 brands. Maybe we can get Trulia to play fair.
May 5, 2008 — 8:57 pm
Bob says:
The purpose of the nofollow was to tell Google that you are not endorsing the target page or that it is a paid link. Neither of those apply with Trulia. Links to agents and brokers are not spam, not untrusted, and they are not paid links. Trulia simply doesn’t want to share the love.
Hats off to Zillow if they remove the nofollow.
May 5, 2008 — 9:21 pm
Joe Hayden says:
Greg…
Here is the post that has Mr. Gibbons’ comment.
https://www.bloodhoundrealty.com/BloodhoundBlog/?p=2983
Looks like there are a few tech issues being resolved. I really commend him for the work he is doing and for his willingness to make adaptions.
May 5, 2008 — 9:32 pm
Matt McGee says:
Greg, may I clarify something? You wrote:
“But that link will include a “nofollow” tag, which means that when search engines see that listing page on Trulia, they will not queue your own page for spidering, nor will they in any other way regard that link as lending any strength to your page.”
According to official statements, Google is the only search engine that will stop completely when they find a link with the rel=nofollow tag on it. However, many in the SEO industry have tested this and believe Google WILL continue on to the page (being linked to) despite the no follow.
Yahoo has said they will actually follow the link so the page (being linked to) can be indexed, but they will not count the link as having any “juice” for ranking purposes.
To my knowledge, MSN has not made any statements on how exactly they handle rel=nofollow. Their engine is so rudimentary, I wouldn’t be surprised if they ignore the tag altogether.
Ask.com, for what it’s worth, says officially that it doesn’t support the tag at all.
HTH.
May 5, 2008 — 10:02 pm
Bob says:
It was also possible to squeeze a little juice out of it too, but that bug was fixed.
May 5, 2008 — 10:39 pm
Greg Swann says:
Matt, I have nothing meaningful to offer except the commonsense observation that locks only keep the honest people honest. As you say, a spider can do what it wants about the nofollow tag. Likewise for anything you might put in robots.txt.
May 5, 2008 — 10:40 pm
Mike Taylor says:
Matt, you don’t think if Yahoo, MSN, and the rest did have a no follow tag that did work Trulia wouldn’t install it? Besides we all know G dominates the searches.
Greg, thanks for finally bringing this to the forefront…maybe now we can get agents to understand that they are truly our competition.
May 6, 2008 — 4:02 am
Eric Blackwell says:
@Matt – I am in with Bob on this. Let’s don’t muddle the issue here. Does Google “see” the no follow –yes. If you use Google webmaster tools and look at links to your site you will SEE sometimes links that are in fact “no follow”. That doesn’t mean that they are given credit for anything or given any weight at all in Google’s algorithm.
THE issue here is that Trulia is purposefully deceiving and duping REALTORS in my opinion (and I have a right to that). I for one am NOT going to shut up until it is fixed (and likely not then in all fairness).
For the record, until Zillow gets their “mistakes” fixed, they are NO better. (well, I take that back…they are SOME better in that they have come forward and said they will change-commendable…)
I think Galen has hit the nail that Greg handed him on the head and it points out what we have known all along…but did not want to be intellectually honest with ourselves about–these third party bots are not “friends” or “trusted partners”. They are competitors.
The real question is can T! or Z! PROVE to us that they are willing to work with us as “trusted partners”? Or are they just another interloper? Trusted partner in my book goes to the guy who is not trying to eat my lunch.
May 6, 2008 — 4:31 am
Eric Bramlett says:
>> According to official statements, Google is the only search engine that will stop completely when they find a link with the rel=nofollow tag on it. However, many in the SEO industry have tested this and believe Google WILL continue on to the page (being linked to) despite the no follow.
Good interview here.
Quote: It is interesting. Whenever we talked about it originally, we said PageRank would not be passed, and the messaging that I tried to do was that it would not even be followed and it would not even be crawled. It turned out there was a really weird situation, where, if you had totally unique anchor text that nobody else had, we would not follow that link – but if we had found the page from some other source, we still had this anchor text lying around and we were willing to associate it with that page…I almost view it as, for a short time it was almost like a bug – that some anchor text, in some very strange situations, could flow. We have fixed that.
May 6, 2008 — 6:44 am
Louis Cammarosano says:
Here are two questions:
How much money do either Trulia or Zillow spend promoting realtors directly?
How many advertising dollars do they make from the display or realtor content?
May 6, 2008 — 6:45 am
Eric Blackwell says:
@Louis– That IMO is a interesting take on this. (I realize that you have a competitive incentive to say what you did, but I also think it is a totally FAIR question in determining who is a competitor and who is not). Deeds, not words (and that over the long haul), are what determine who is a trusted partner and who is well…ummm…blowing sunshine.
Are any of the 3rd party bots being transparent (read: honest) with REALTORS? (Includes HomeGain in that, but your point is well made) Time will tell.
I think that the long term success of a bot will either hinge on being a totally loyal advertising and marketing “trusted partner” or in effectively “duping” the REALTORS into giving the bot the data and then using it against them (ala the old R.com routine).
Am I the only one who does not see any intellectually honest wiggle room in the middle?
Perhaps I am looking at this wrong? Somebody help me here…
Eric
May 6, 2008 — 7:31 am
Louis Cammarosano says:
Eric
Since we don’t display Realtor listings on our site, its a moot point.
Our listing product, BuyerLink drives consumers TO the realtor’s site where they display the listings.
We provide the audience, the Realtor provides the show- a true partnership
Our products feature Realtors exclusively and prominently not their content.
In the case of our new blogging product, while it IS the realtor’s content, the benefit from that content goes to the Realtor as there are no other ads on the page.
We provide the platform and traffic for the Realtor and the Realtor provides the content. The Realtor gets all the responses, email, leads, phone calls that his content generates, not an advertiser or other Realtor- again,a true partnership.
(Even Active Rain has ads- we don’t)
In the case of Agent Evaluator. We set up the market place. Consumers send us their profiles, we send them to the Realtors, the Realtors send their proposals to the consumers. If a deal closes the Realtor pays a portion of their commission to HomeGain.
HomeGain only makes money if the Realtor does- a true partnership.
May 6, 2008 — 7:46 am
Galen says:
Long tail? I think that’s a side effect of them aiming to win the short tail. Google any smallish city name + real estate and you’ll see them on the first page of the results.
May 6, 2008 — 8:37 am
Eric Blackwell says:
Yessir…(grin) the operative words seem to be city real estate (no state) and city homes for sale… Methinks they are now PROVING that they are a competitor / interloper indeed.
Spot on Galen.
May 6, 2008 — 9:41 am
James Boyer says:
Thankfully Trulia is getting there butt handed to them for the towns I concentrate on. Not only am I outranking them, but so are homes.com, yahoo, and two other REALTORS. That was not always the case though, it was very difficult to knock them out of the top 3 possitions for the google searches.
If I look at other towns where I am not nearly as strong, there is good old Trulia dominating the search results.
I just wish Trulia would stop playing this “who me, I would not do that, I am your friend” game, and start actually being a friend to their content providers.
Jim
May 6, 2008 — 9:42 am
Bob says:
This isn’t about being a friend, it’s about business. If your business model is primarily listings based, then they benefit you. If your business model is dependent on generating leads using OPL (other people’s listings) via IDX, then they are arguably your competitor.
May 6, 2008 — 10:00 am
louis@homegain.com says:
Another question.
Web 2.0 companies tout them selves as being transparent.
Are they being transparent with their customers?
Even pure concepts like “transparency” can be manipulated.
Point it out and you are shouted down by the enlightened 2.0 re.net crowd as “not getting it”, or worse being a dinosaur.
May 6, 2008 — 11:01 am
louis@homegain.com says:
Correction
Web 2.0 companies tout themselves as being transparent to consumers.
Are they being transparent with their data suppliers?
Are their data suppliers their customers? their partners? a just a means to an end?
May 6, 2008 — 11:04 am
Jay says:
Wow. I get distracted from my RE blogs for awhile and looks like I’ve been missing quite the party. From what I’ve ready in several posts I am prepared to say that I cannot see myself ever posting listings at Trulia whom I already viewed with some suspicion. This confirms my concerns–they are not trying to work with me, but rather are trying to beat and displace me for Arlington real estate altogether.
I will look at Zillow though as a potentially useful partner and will keep an eye on their policies….
J
May 6, 2008 — 5:21 pm
Barry Cox says:
Yeah, Trulia is great isn’t it? Gotta love the free tools that they provide as well to put on your website….
“Trulia has created a set of free tools to help bloggers, real estate professionals, webmasters and Web site operators display local real estate data on their own sites. You do not need to ask our permission to use these tools.”
So thoughtful 🙂 I wonder how many agents have these on their home pages….
May 9, 2008 — 1:10 am
Hi, I'm Rudy from Trulia.com says:
Hello.
For some clarity, please take the time to read our blog post – http://www.truliablog.com/2008/05/15/back-to-basics-trulia-was-built-to-help-improve-your-roi/
Best,
Rud
Social Media Guru at Trulia
May 15, 2008 — 10:38 am
Rudy from Trulia says:
Hi!
For some clarity on much of the misinformation and confusion going on here and elsewhere, please take the time to read our blog post –
http://www.truliablog.com/2008/05/15/back-to-basics-trulia-was-built-to-help-improve-your-roi/
Regards,
Rudy
Social Media Guru at Trulia
May 15, 2008 — 5:28 pm
Kenneth Cox says:
Really opens your eyes to what larger commercial real estate sites can accomplish with the help of thousands of agents and brokers.
Hopefully you included “no follow” on your link to the truilablog. wouldn’t want them to get any additional assistance…
June 15, 2008 — 2:08 pm
Ana in San Antonio says:
Seems like the future of the serps is to have just hugh authority sites up in the top 10.
August 27, 2008 — 4:12 pm
San Antonio Lawyer says:
I have to agree with Ana on this one. It’s becoming a pattern.
September 3, 2008 — 3:45 pm
levyn says:
How much money do either Trulia or Zillow spend promoting realtors directly?
October 19, 2008 — 11:57 am
Skinner says:
It doesn’t seems that they spend much. They need to come with new tools to promote realtors.
October 20, 2008 — 2:16 pm
Sue says:
The Trulia blog link and comments are eye opening. The link in the widget is very deceiving…most realtors would not know or understand this concept.
November 27, 2008 — 7:09 pm