I mean blog wars, talk about disintermediation, transparency..blah..blah..blah…!
I am new to blogging, having only launched Real Estate Radio USA on January 2, 2008. Yet, in this brief period of time I can CLEARLY see the fruits of my labor, the rewards derived from the efforts of my team, the tremendous spike in daily traffic, and last but not least, the building of valuable strategic business relationships. In addition, many personal relationships have blossomed as well.
But all of this going back and forth with real estate agents who are resisting change and ignoring the writing on the wall just seems so boring. Do I really care any longer about trying to share what I have learned and to assist those in business who can not or will not seize the myriad of opportunities that abound in a Web 2.0 world? I used to. I was full of fire and energy to help a lot of Realtors see the Promised Land but now that spirit, in just 3 months, is waning.
I can only imagine how people like Mary McKnight, Greg Swann, Pat Kitano and Stefan Swanepoel must feel. These people have been going at it for much longer than I have. I salute each of these pioneers and others like them and wonder where they find the patience to persevere with such a seemingly obvious lost cause.
In order for myself to continue in such an arduous endeavor, I have to measure my efforts against the potential ROI. Wasting time with obtuse Realtors has become the bane of my existence and it seems useless to continue to engage. It’s like being on the Titanic and arguing with Thomas Andrews that the ship was unsinkable.
Real estate blogging has jumped the proverbial shark and it’s a waste of time to think things can be changed. I read a post or two this weekend on Active Rain, you know, that social network that shows 70,000+ members yet only the same 100-200 or so people ever comment? You know, that social network made up of dinosaurs and has-beens that spend more time saying what doesn’t work to even try to implement that which does. You know, that social network where everything is a “great post” unless you dare to question the Almighty Point Leaders. By the way…are they point leaders or investors? I can’t seem to figure that out.
Active Rain, in my opinion, has an absolutely great premise. It’s stated purpose is an admirable set of core values and ideologies. However somewhere along the way it seems to have been hijacked. Sometimes when I read what some of the members post I feel like I am in Stepford. When I comment I feel like Robert Neville left alone on an island of mutants looking at me like I’m the one who is out of place.
ActiveRain believes that it is in the best interests of real estate professionals to build a community that is focused on educating one another. ActiveRain believes its future depends on members of all experience levels openly sharing their experiences and best practices with others in the field. This communal dialogue offers a unique opportunity for professional growth and is the way to share in the dynamism and excitement that constitutes the modern real estate business.
Oh really? Like I said, admirable in design, flawed in its participation. The architects of the platform must at times, behind close doors, wonder what has become of their creation and how did it morph from its stated mission. Surely it is not their fault, not at all. It’s a statement on the industry and where it is headed.
This is not an Active Rain rant…it’s not by any means any reflection on their product. I just am wondering aloud what’s to be done. Do we continue speaking about Zillow, Trulia, Redfin, new business models, disintermediation and transparency to an audience that desires to ignore it.
In any event, what’s the use? Isn’t there far better use of our time? Aren’t there sellers and buyers out there who deserve better than tepid discussions between bloggers. In the midst of what is seen as the worst housing crisis in history and with millions in danger of losing their homes, does anybody really care about what any of us have to say other than “do you have a buyer”?
Over the weekend we visited 32 houses on the market. The agents can’t afford to market and the Seller’s can’t afford to stay in the home. We used to call these people motivated Sellers. I like to now call them hostages.
In house after house, we ran into homeowner after homeowner that are locked into wholly egregious, one-sided listing agreements with some real estate agent who has deemed themselves a financial analyst.
No, the house won’t sell, no, you don’t know how to properly perform a short sale, and yes, you will have another client whose livelihood is going down the tubes because they had the misfortune of signing a listing agreement.
Think that homeowner has any interest in disintermediation or transparency?
My vocational experience was derived from an entrepreneurial mindset with a heavy influence from the consumer product business world. This is a world wherein compensation is based upon DAILY performance, not performance in 60, 90, 120, or 180 days.
When I created marketing campaigns for consumer product companies they looked at our proposal, analyzed the data, and if the proposal made sense and the client’s expected ROI was achievable, they greenlighted the campaign. They proceeded based upon the premise that a fresh marketing campaign would help their brand(s) connect with their target consumer.
I never had a brand manager from a Fortune 500 company ignore proven data. ..and this was often someone actually trained to review the data. I am not saying that each campaign that I created was greenlighted. Of course not. There were companies that had better ideas than I did. There were companies that had better priced campaigns that I did, but the point here is the consumer product company did not have to be convinced as to the merits of a campaign, they simply had to choose from the proposal they liked the best. They all knew that they HAD to do a branding or marketing campaign and that such campaigns are an ongoing component of business.
When new technologies are seen in the marketplace, it’s not an if, but only when the brand will engage in the new arena.
There are somewhere near 1.4 Million active Realtors. Maybe 1-2% of them have grasped a Web 2.0 mindset. What can the other 98% possibly be doing. Discussions about disintermediation and transparency? Forget that…someone needs to launch a psychological study as to the why there is general acceptance to an obvious of lack of general business knowledge by many in the real estate industry.
I imagine some folks did not really listen to Alexander Graham Bell, nor did some rush out to rally around Henry Ford. More recently in our lifetime a lot of people thought a geeky Harvard dropout was nuts when he created Microsoft and I am sure there are some former Royal Typewriter execs really kicking themselves. However, I doubt you will find 1.5 million people in a single business completely ignoring technology the way Realtors do.
Why? Could be a hundred different reasons. But like I said, does it really matter. Right now the agents don’t care. Homeowners just want to be rescued and the industry’s trade organization (NAR) is a laughing stock.
So why are we even discussing Web 2.0 ideologies to an audience with deaf ears. I like reading the articles here but I already know where Jeff Brown stands. I already know where Russell Shaw Stands, I already know where Greg Swan and Brian Brady stand. We can order some beers and pizza at UNCHAINED and have a discussion until the wee hours of the night over disintermediation and transparency (which might not be a bad idea anyway), but will it matter?
If we took all of our blogging traffic together, and added our own individual spheres of influence on top, what are we talking about in terms of agents in the Web 2.0 pool? Are we really having all of these discussions for less than 5-6% of the real estate agents willing to improve their “business”? Isn’t that just all of us having the proverbial sword fight in the shower? It just does not seem to matter.
This world of business blogging is evolving each day. We have begun speaking with major companies from pharmaceuticals to snack food giants to purveyors of wines and spirits and they actually WANT to learn about what it is we do. Imagine working with a client who has tens of millions of dollars at its disposal who actually wants to learn about what it is we do. Imagine a consumer product that wants you to design a Web 2.0 marketing campaign that helps them reach out to their customers. Isn’t that what we have been trying to do as bloggers with Realtors? Isn’t that what many of you are already successfully accomplishing…helping business improve? I don’t envision Web 2.0 as being just for real estate. In fact I believe that to be much to the contrary.
Web 2.0 ideology is much better suited to a “business” than an independent contractor-led industry with no cohesive plan or structure. This technology is meant to provide dynamic content that enriches the user’s experience, encourages the user’s participation, and is highly scalable. It also is vital in its ability to capture collective intelligence on the participant while featuring an aura of freedom, openness and empowerment.While this may be the case in some real estate blogs, it is readily apparent that this is not the norm.
Anyone even remotely knowledgeable about the business of consumer marketing understands that the 18-24 year old demographic is the most sought after demo. It has been proven that an individual’s buying patterns are formed very early in their adult life and that if you interact with an individual at that stage of life you may obtain a customer for life.
In a business with the average age of the participants being 51+ it seems we are wasting time speaking to an audience of individuals who seem to have long since become set in their ways. Would it not be more beneficial for us to take our abilities and information to those companies and industries that are enthusiastically embracing the tool that can truly allow their business to compete on a global scale?
Tim O’Reilly who coined the term Web 2.0 says there are seven core competencies in truly being a self-described Web 2.0 business, much of which has been discussed herein (did you miss it) and not the least of which is the development of a business model to harness the ideology.
I just don’t see the benefit of continuing a discussion with 1 million plus real estate agents with 1 million plus opinions. The real estate industry is fractured. There is no apparent competent, national, leadership or direction and today’s real estate agent seems less knowledgeable technologically speaking than one would expect in today’s wired world.
The frightening aspect of that thought is that most seem quite at peace in being technologically negligent and remaining wholly reliant upon the ignorance of the consumer to conduct business…which in itself is counterproductive to any discussion of transparency.
So what are we all talking about? Are we merely spending time speaking to the choir, or like Fonzie, have we jumped the shark on this thing and just don’t realize that it’s all down hill from here in regards to real estate agents truly embracing this new world.
Or, perhaps is this the rant of someone who had some bad sushi last night and is upset because Carolina got booted from the Final Four.
I guess we’ll see how I feel in the morning.
Bob says:
Barry, I would suggest that the problem lies with real estate agents not having a clear understanding of who the target market for their blogging efforts should be.
AR is not consumer focused. It is the water cooler. It was popular because if you wrote something, you had a fair chance of someone responding.
The desire for instant gratification outweighs the discipline needed to stick to what matters to the consumer. Few bloggers in this industry write for the consumer. They write for each other.
April 6, 2008 — 9:41 am
Brad Shaffer says:
I thoroughly enjoyed your posting. Being newer to residential real estate but coming from a national new home builder, I found many of the things you mentioned very true – many agents won’t/don’t embrace newer technologies.
I spent the morning working on a prototype website that would market homes I’ve listed that is built for the iPhone … the fastest growing handset in terms of adoption out there… not to mention the demographic that purchases it is exactly that younger age who could become my clients for life.
Thanks for the great post!
April 6, 2008 — 11:35 am
Dave Phillips says:
Barry,
Hopefully your medication will kick back in and you will remember why we write on blogs…its chicks man. 100’s of them screaming our name and hanging on our every word. Oh…wait…that’s my rock star fantasy.
I blog for 3 main reasons and many other smaller reasons:
1 – I can, or rather I must. Many folks can’t string two sentences together, so it is up to those of us who can to write. I feel it is my civic duty.
2 – I want to give back to the real estate industry because it has been very good to me. I have been employed for almost 18 years by the REALTOR organization and the 5 home purchases I have made have been very good to me.
3 – I have trouble finding a good debate in real life, so blogs fill a void for me. For instance, check out below for my dissenting opinion to your comment.
You said “I just don’t see the benefit of continuing a discussion with 1 million plus real estate agents with 1 million plus opinions. The real estate industry is fractured. There is no apparent competent, national, leadership or direction and today’s real estate agent seems less knowledgeable technologically speaking than one would expect in today’s wired world.”
As Chevy Chase used to say on SNL to Jane Curtain, and I paraphrase, “Barry, you ignorant slut.” (Sorry to those too young to remember that classic sketch.) Barry, to be blunt, you do not have a clue about NAR’s leadership. Do you know them? Have you ever been to an NAR meeting? Have you studied everything that NAR is doing to help the industry?
If you answer yes to any of these questions, I have underestimated you. But, if your answer is “no”, I offer you the following speech I give my staff so they can understand why their job is important. NAR is far from perfect, but your disdain is to simplistic.
Dave’s speech to new employees:
“You have been hired to fulfill a very important role in the American economy. The REALTOR organization has brought order to one of the largest section of the economy by establishing standards and expectations. Because of us, buyers and sellers know what to expect in a transaction and this stability brings value to the economy. You only have to look to a third world marketplace to see the value we bring. Can you imagine how worthless real estate would be if their was no clear title to your property or no efficient way to transfer it to another. The simple fact that the REALTOR organization has created a normal and expected transaction brings certainty and value to the industry. Without us, chaos would be the norm and the very foundation of the American economy would be shaky.”
This speech may lose something in text, but when I’m done, my new employee is usually standing up and singing God Bless America. And that, my friend, is why you are simply ignorant in your disdain for NAR. You should hug the next REALTOR you see and thank them for making this country great!
April 6, 2008 — 12:16 pm
Bucking the Real Estate Trend says:
Wow! Enjoyed the post, and then the surprise response from NAR… Won’t comment on NAR at this time, but I will say that I blog on my website to provide fresh, legitimate content on the internet to those who have an interest in my area here in Western North Carolina. Providing numbers and statistical data, to my way of thinking, is a great way for buyers and sellers to know what REALLY is going on in our local market. As for Active Rain, I blog there because Google loves AR and I LEARN every day from many people. To say realtors don’t want to get on the bandwagon and get with the latest and greatest technology is an understatement in my area.
April 6, 2008 — 1:21 pm
Barry Cunningham says:
Hey Bucking..gotta love that google juice! Yes it most definitely serves that purpose and serves it well.
April 6, 2008 — 1:45 pm
Barry Cunningham says:
Bob and Brad,
Thanks for the comments..
bob I agree and unfortunately that seems to be the case.
Brad..please do tell more about the I-phone application. Definitely interested in hearing more on that.
April 6, 2008 — 1:48 pm
Barry Cunningham says:
Dave..while blogging for chicks may indeed be an admisrable cause..you are a misguided kool-aid drinker!
you wrote: “…you do not have a clue about NAR’s leadership. Do you know them? Have you ever been to an NAR meeting? Have you studied everything that NAR is doing to help the industry?
That is laughable …why is it that everytime someone has an opinion about the NAR the only response from its “defenders” is to think that the writer has no knowledge of the NAR…maybe you have been hanging around too many Realtors. We here on the outside actually do perform research. So yes..you have underestimated me…really underestimated me. But I won’t engage while on Greg’s turf.
As for your speech. I am glad it works in the fantasy land in which you reside. For in the real world one would laugh at that speech and whisper things behind your back.
It’s absurd and I can only think in this regard that you are pulling my leg and shame on me for not seeing an extended april fools joke! LMAO!!
April 6, 2008 — 1:56 pm
Dave Phillips says:
Barry, my post featured a great deal of tongue in cheek – especially the speech. However, I do not always drink the NAR Kool-aid. I just thought your comment was a cheap shot at NAR because it failed to expand on a generalization. If you’d care to discuss/debate a particular issue about NAR, I’d welcome the discussion. I do not work for NAR, but I am fairly knowledgeable on what they are doing. Just pick your favorite thing that bugs you about NAR and let’s rock. Like I said, I do not get enough debating in real life.
April 6, 2008 — 2:12 pm
Pat Kitano says:
Barry, you’ve expressed the conundrum the RE.net crowd all seem to see in 1,998 words. The interesting conjecture is – maybe the real estate community doesn’t want to see blogging become status quo… since only a miniscule minority have proven they can do it, the massive majority considers blogging a competitive threat, or at the very least, another big project in their inbox.
April 6, 2008 — 2:31 pm
Barry Cunningham says:
Hey Dave..I figured that out in the end. As for debate.hmmmm let’s see..so much to discuss so little time…ok got one…
How about the fact that the NAR spent a gazillion dollars on a advertising campaign in the midst of the Nation’s worst housing crisis. A campaign that was futile and panned by the marketing community, advertising executives and the media (I guess we can add the consumer into this mix) and was DOA when it was issued.
I guess that’s indicative of a trade organization that has its ducks in a row..NOT!! Hence the term used in the post..laughing stock.
Nevermind the fact that they used dated material for the foundation of their commercial which I guess they hoped people would never find out about.
That should give us something to talk about.
April 6, 2008 — 2:32 pm
Dave Phillips says:
Barry, now we’re getting somewhere. I’m tempted to say, “you got me,” but what would be the fun in that. I agree that the original ad campaign with that catchy tag line “You have a life. We let you live it. We’re REALTORS, real estate is our life” was perhaps indefensible. Most members just laughed and said, “I guess we don’t have a life.”
Over the years, and millions of dollars, the campaign got better. By “better” I mean that it stopped being a joke to the members. Most of my local members (and most nationally) actually liked the commercials that ran during the boom years of 04-06 that were distinctly anti-FSBO. They also like the current ads.
And that brings us to my defense of the ad campaign. Members like it! Maybe it makes them proud to be a REALTOR or just feel cool that NAR is doing something, but members like it. Here’s what NAR’s annual survey found:
“The Public Awareness Campaign is one of the most popular programs among NAR members – in 2007, 98 percent of REALTORS® favored the advertising program, and 93 percent wanted to see more advertising like it. Nearly four out of every five members rated the campaign’s effectiveness as “good” to “excellent.””
Now Barry, I’m not saying you are absolutely wrong, but
you are either smarter than 98% of the members of NAR, or maybe you are just looking at this from the wrong (or at least different) angle. What would you do if 98% of your consumers said they liked what you were doing? Change? Stop? I doubt it.
April 6, 2008 — 3:10 pm
Barry Cunningham says:
Dave is this another tongue-in cheek response. Please..please tell me it is. It must be as you are talking about last years campaign and did not read my comment.
In any event you did not mention consumer reactions. You said the campaign was popular among NAR members. That’s totally irrelvant. Who cares what the NAR member think. They were’nt the target audience.
Since when does marketing get measured by the impact it has on the ones marketing?
Absolut just pulled a campaign that the public found to be distasteful but I am sure the people from Absolut thought it was great.
C’mon Dave, I like spirited debate but you’re losing my interest fast . It’s like coming to a gun fight with a water-pik.
Please do tell me you have more than this. Otherwise I have to go watch my grass grow. It’ll be more interesting and entertaining.
April 6, 2008 — 3:51 pm
Jim Duncan says:
What was the sample size of the NAR survey?
Please find one credible member of the NAR that thought the “it’s a great time “It’s a great time to buy or sell a home!” campaign was a good use of $40 million dollars.
April 6, 2008 — 4:23 pm
Dave Phillips says:
Barry,
Sorry to bore you, but I’m just sticking to the facts – something I have not seen in any of your arguments. This simple fact is that marketing is often for internal purposes. Got Milk, The Other White Meat, etc. are all ads that, like the REALTOR ads, have a huge internal component.
But you want consumer results? Here you go:
Summary of Key Findings
The results of this year’s study indicate that the expanded, 11-month media plan introduced in 2007 has significantly increased consumer awareness and improved attitudes regarding the value that REALTORS® bring to the real estate transaction.
The percentage of consumers that would use a REALTOR® to buy or sell a home has increased significantly over the past five years, from 52 percent in 2002 to 71 percent today – an all-time high.
In addition, the percentage consumers who plan to buy or sell a home without professional assistance is at an all-time low of 16 percent, down from 25 percent in 2001.
The consumers surveyed also believe that REALTORS®:
* Make selling a home easier (70 percent; up from 53 percent in 2002)
* Make buying a home easier (69 percent; up from 51 percent in 2002)
* Are a good source for financing resources, home inspections, and other services related to the home buying and selling process (68 percent, up from 59 percent in 2002)
* Are a good source for preparing a home for sale (66 percent, up from 63 percent in 2002)
* Bring the latest technology to buying and selling a home (58 percent, up from 37 percent in 2002)
If you want to see this stuff, go to the campaign home page at http://www.realtor.org/pac.nsf/pages/pachome.
April 6, 2008 — 4:41 pm
Dave Phillips says:
Jim,
1500 members were surveyed for the 2007 campaign. Maybe that does not include the ads you refer to – I’m not sure because the years run together. NAR does their homework on this stuff and despite what you guys think, I have seen no evidence to back up the “waste of money” claim.
April 6, 2008 — 4:48 pm
Barry Cunningham says:
Dave I can’t waste time trying to educate you about how marketing works…I worked on the “Got Milk” campaign. Sorry to inform you but it was designed to get the consumer to drink more emilk!
You do know the NAR did a big campaign in 2008 don’t you? Why are you talking about 2007? Have you been on an island playing survivor? This is nuts…yet exemplary.
I know you like discourse but this is ridiculous.
You must have missed the 2008 NAR marketing debacle. I previously wrote about it on February 14, 2008. Here is some of that article:
Well today, I read a few reports that compelled me to perform additional due diligence. I was reading a few articles and watching the commercials that the National Association of Realtors have been executing as a part of their brand new $40 Million advertising campaign. You know, it’s the campaign that has been panned by Advertising Age magazine so vehemently that the AdAge writer relegated Realtors to being ever so porcine-like. The one where they tell you how great a time to buy it is right now…yeah that one!
http://adage.com/garfield/post?article_id=123355&search_phrase=realtors
Well in the commercial the viewer is directed to Housing Market Facts because in the spot the model talks about how real estate is the great wealth builder. She states, and the message is superimposed on the screen that “60% of the average homeowner’s wealth is from their home’s equity”. That is an amazing statistic. Thank you NAR…but wait, what’s the little text on the bottom of the screen that MOST will never read and is only on the screen for a little over a quick 3 seconds?
Well, on the bottom of the screen for that brief 3+/- seconds in the tiniest of print is the source of that statistic. Let me inform you, if you have not as of yet seen the commercial or perhaps missed it when it aired, this is the only statistic featured or even mentioned in the commercial spot. So based upon its feature status, it must be pretty damn important and relevant.
Well leave it to my counterpart on our radio show. The man with a plan, Barry J blew up the commercial so he could see the source. Once he had the info he found the location of that source. Being the great forensic real estate operative that he is, he printed out the document that was the source of the $40 Million dollar commercial and we were absolutely stunned.
The source for the featured statistic, the point of reference for every viewer to hang their hat on, the money shot in a plan to combat negativity in the real estate sector, was none other that the Urban Policy Brief, Number 2, A Department Of Housing and Urban Development Study that was released…in 1995!
I stand by my statements in February and today. The consumer (you know the one that really matters in all of this) Did not fill out such a survey and why you would be trumpeting numbers taken from a realtor survey as if that has ANY bearing on reality.
April 6, 2008 — 6:20 pm
Barry Cunningham says:
Pat..I sadly think you are absolutely correct!
April 6, 2008 — 6:22 pm
Dave Phillips says:
Barry,
Thanks for the great debate on this. We have probably spent enough time on it. I have no data on the 2008 campaign – no facts to back up my opinion. I hesitate to offer an opinion without such backup because you are wise enough to carve me to pieces.
I will say that I do believe this is a great time to buy real estate. That was the main point in the 08 campaign and despite old data and the other issues you raise, I still think it is an effective message.
Again, thanks for the debate – I know I learned a lot and hope you got something new from it. You are a worthy sparring partner and a great bloodhound.
April 6, 2008 — 7:08 pm
Barry Cunningham says:
As gentlemen, we shall debate again. Have a great evening Dave!
April 6, 2008 — 8:13 pm
Chris Johnson says:
This was a tour de force of good writing, clear thinking and correctly barbed anger.
A bad Realtor is someone that SHOULD face the same kind of scruitny as a bad doctor or whatever.
Anyway, thanks for thinking so I don’t have to.
April 6, 2008 — 9:19 pm
Louis Cammarosano says:
Nice post Barry 🙂
See you over at active rain.
Louis
April 7, 2008 — 8:15 pm
ines says:
Dang! my hat goes off to you! I wonder about it every day – I walk into my office and I’m the odd ball, the weird one who “blogs”. I see the booklets from my competitors that don’t sell listings, I see the gullible consumer not getting it either. Preaching to the choir……absolutely! But learning and improving every day and helping those who want to be helped.
April 7, 2008 — 8:59 pm