Housevalues.com invested close to $3 million in Activerain.com. I chuckled about the irony of a lead company paying for leads, yesterday. I also reported that the Active Rain community was politely swallowing this shocking news. You see, for 18 months, the little purple pill has always been, “If you blog it, they will come” (‘they’ meaning customers).
Jon Washburn’s community press release generated comments like this one, posted by Ann Cummings:
Congratulations on the funding. Like others, I’m no fan at all of any lead generation companies. And I’m glad to read Mike Nelson’s comment above about this not being that kind of opportunity for them nor an advertising opportunity for them. That was a concern of mine when I saw this announcement over on BloodHound earlier. Thanks for the clarification, Mike.
I hope this funding allows you to bring all kinds of great positive things to AR and Localism – that would be terrific indeed!!
Ann
No surprise there. Ann’s a nice lady and adopted the cautiously optimistic attitude I would expect from her. She’s hoping for the best but ready for the worst (if it happens).
Later, demons were exorcised by some (understandably) jaded members who felt that Housevalues “took” their money by promising a product that failed to deliver. On cue, the Housevalues advocates expressed their opinions. Greg Nino from Houston said:
House Values or any other lead generation company is the current future. In case anyone needs to be reminded, the Internet is where prospects turn into dollars and sense. A lead that comes from your computer or how it gets in you contact management system is a mute point. What does matter is that House Values has been instrumental in launching careers for some and sadly not able to spoil others.
I have concern for anyone outside my market who claims Internet leads are either a waste of time or a waste of money. Effort being left out because that is what usually is for the typical naysayer. If your in my market carry on with your thoughts. I would be happy to buy your subscription.
I’ve been with House Values since January of 2006. Simply said, I’ve received over 2,000 leads that have given birth to my business, future and lifestyle. I have picked up over 80 transactions and $300,000 in total commissions. I average 3.5 listings a month and expect no slow down in sight. I have also enjoyed countless opportunities to grow, learn and develop as a practitioner in my market. I can also thank House Values for helping me be the Top Listing agent for 15 months in a row in my office.
I am very excited and glad they are financially involved with Active Rain.
Greg, Congratulations on your success! I wonder, however, if you would have received a similar ROI had you invested your money into a contact management system, systematic marketing, and farming your marketplace. If you’re a newer agent, I commend you for a creative way to build up your database off of an internet marketing portal.
Then, Maggie Mouscardy from Long Beach:
I have been a HouseValues/Just Listed subscriber since February 2005 and will soon have 36 solid months of business generated because of the leads and system I’ve used from HouseValues. The HouseValues system has been the cornerstone of my real estate business CONSISTENTLY for these past 3 years.
With the Internet being the first place consumers go for information about real estate, in fact over 90% do so according to NAR (National Asssociation of REALTORS) statistics. I have done the math and overall for every $1 I’ve invested, my ROI on HouseValues has been $8.50, pretty good return if you ask me!
I was able to build an eTeam with 45 agents and even in a declining market we were able to close over $250,000 in GCI (Gross Closed Commissions) in just 4 months in 2007!!! The system works. Those who boo whoo any system, flat out didn’t understand that the Internet consumer takes time to incubate and nurture. That’s why I’ve stayed and will continue to build and grow my SUCCESSFUL real estate career with HouseValues! How long have I been in the real estate industry, since October 1987! Go ahead and look me up if you’re anywhere near Long Beach, California…I’ll treat you to lunch and we’ll talk about HouseValues and their ROCK SOLID and unbeatable system that helps me and my team everyday!
Maggie, I wonder how the Housevalues system benefited your team. When I divide $250,000 GCI by 45 e-agents, I come up with $5500/agent, over a four month period.
Here’s my point, folks. We have the same problem that Bank of America and Countrywide will have; CULTURE CLASH. The Housevalues’ agents follow a much different discipline than the Active Rain agents. HV agents pay for leads and AR agents develop leads through their own efforts. Both disciplines work… well… for now.
The problem for the Active Rain members? Now, you’ll be listening to a sales pitch from the stealth evangelizers of the Housevalues discipline. If the first day was any indication, they’ll be joining Active Rain in droves and posting their testimonials. You’re going to hear a confusing message these next few months.
No worries. We, at Bloodhound, know you’re initial thought was correct; if you blog it, they will come. Of course, we try to be a little more disciplined in our approach to social media marketing, so much, that we’re having a little educational weekend, in May, dedicated to that very concept.
We approach our efforts like guerrilla warriors, using our competition’s strength against them. We pee on trees, establish community expertise, try to dominate a hyperlocal market, and find interesting ways to broadcast our message with new media. We recognize that the internet is a big enough place for you to carve out a profitable niche before the big guys find out how to do it.
You CAN create raving fans, so in love with you, that they wouldn’t even THINK about letting their friends use anyone else but you.
I love the Active Rain community. I made my bones over there... but I learned how to make it work, right here. So, if the “pay for leads” evangelizers distract you from your ultimate goals, check out what we’re doing.
PS: It’ll be OUR little secret. (and you won’t have to delete your AR profile)
Denver Mortgage says:
Sounds like the best money housevalues.com ever spent. They might be putting all their eggs in the right basket.
January 22, 2008 — 7:29 pm
CJ, Broker in L A, CA says:
The influx of HV agents kind of answers my original question … “just what does HouseValues get out of the deal?”
HV must have wanted something else to offer their paying members to keep them on board, and access to AR works as that “something”. Eventually some of those HV people may realize they don’t need to pay HV to access AR….
Oh. I think I just figured out my version of fighting back Guerilla style. I think I’ll stick a Google Adsense unit in my AR sidebar. 🙂
January 22, 2008 — 7:59 pm
Chris Dowell says:
I have been getting my weekly phone calls from homes.com. I guess now I’m going to get pounded by housevalues. I have already received 1 phone and 2 e-mails.
January 22, 2008 — 9:16 pm
Kaye Thomas says:
Guess this explains why none of our posts have been picked up by Google in the last few months…
January 22, 2008 — 11:00 pm
Todd Carpenter says:
I agree with Wade. Active Rain is an Internet gold mine for any company that markets to RE Agents. The investment reminds me of Microsoft’s stake in Facebook. It aint about ownership of an asset.
January 22, 2008 — 11:26 pm
Brian Brady says:
“It aint about ownership of an asset”
Agreed, Todd. If they acquire 10,000 loyal members’ contact information (and eyeballs) for $10 million, that’s about $100/contact.
If HV offers those “loyal fans” a free trial to their “suite of practitioner tools”, their conversion rate will skyrocket.
If HV offers a referral service, with 25% of the commissions paid to them, AND they are generating the leads, they break even in 5000 transactions.
January 23, 2008 — 12:24 am
Jim Gatos says:
They won’t be bothering me.. I emailed them and demanded they remove ALL references to me and NOT to bother me.. I run my own show anyway…
January 23, 2008 — 5:52 am
Teri Lussier says:
I do like Cheryl’s idea! 😀
hmm.
I’ve kept my AR profile/blog and my outside blogging fairly separate. Maybe now it’s time to use, er uh, ‘repurpose’ my AR blog for the sole purpose of driving traffic to my home blog?
January 23, 2008 — 6:38 am
CJ, Broker in L A, CA says:
Teri, Not only did I insert a Google Adsense Skyscraper, I also added an Amazon affiliate widget for Photoshop Elements. So far, I have not yet been struck down by lightning. I think I shall “repurpose” my AR blog as an affiliate-income-generating-cash-cow. HV people: Click there now! John Chow: Look out, here I come! 🙂
January 23, 2008 — 7:25 am
Brian Brady says:
“I think I shall “repurpose” my AR blog as an affiliate-income-generating-cash-cow”
You have the content to do just that, CJ.
January 23, 2008 — 8:34 am
Teri Lussier says:
Cheryl-
I think if we combine our two ideas, we will come out alright. Ads and leads- it’s a winning idea! In fact, I learned it from HouseValues.
Except. I’m not the SEO expert. Right now, Google seems to like AR or did, Kaye says no longer? I am wondering how or if or when Google decides AR is not worthy. But by then I’ll have a new strategy thunk up.
I’ve deleted (moved) any AR posts that meant anything to me. What’s over there now is local flavor, easy enough to edit to a ‘there’s better stuff at The Brick Ranch mode’.
January 23, 2008 — 8:38 am
Ann Cummings says:
Hi Brian – Google alerts certainly work OUTSIDE of AR!! Like Kaye, all my alerts from google stopped coming in some time ago. I thought it was weird then, as I used to get quite a few. And now, when several have asked about them, no real responses or answers.
Anyway, sounds like Cheryl and Teri are on to some great ideas!
Several of us have bantered about possible HV offerings, now that they have a captive audience at AR. Yours are pretty interesting and it would be a great game plan for HV. Time will tell, won’t it?
And thanks! 😉
January 23, 2008 — 8:47 am
Brian Brady says:
No, thank you, Ann. Your comment on AR exemplified what so many members feel; cautious optimism.
January 23, 2008 — 9:22 am
Erion Shehaj says:
Actually, the tactics employed by HV subsequent to the AR cash infusion don’t surprise me at all. A few days before the deal was announced, I called their customer service to cancel my Market Leader account, which I had been using for about 5 days and decided it was to antiquated to work. Speaking to that “customer service” rep, I swear I thought I was talking to some AOL rep back in 2000.
I found your suggestion that one could invest in a contact management system instead of paying for leads very interesting. The very reason I tried Market Schleader was to find a reliable contact management system. Which one do you recommend that would work well with real estate
January 23, 2008 — 9:29 am
geno petro says:
B.B. Thanks for the fine article and the 411.
Active Rain hasn’t featured me in months so I haven’t gone there too much, lately. I only posted dupe content from my main blog there anyway.
I’m going to eventually walk the Earth like Cain and Jules Winnfield so in the big picture of life, it’s good to know but I don’t think I care.
Unfortunately, “…just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in….
January 23, 2008 — 10:54 am
Rebecca Levinson says:
Smart move on the part of HouseValues, you won’t find a more loyal following than AR right now.
But most AR members are NOT going to pay to blog on AR. Maybe they would pay for an outside blog developed by Active Rain, but I don’t believe they would pay for the privilege of what they currently have “for free”.
Then again, if AR creates a higher value for paid subscribers, this could be the golden ticket. Point2Agent has been successful converting agents over from their free “standard” websites to paid.
January 23, 2008 — 12:54 pm
CJ, Broker in L A, CA says:
I figured it was time for this Active Rain big mouth to be heard. I just posted an open letter to HouseValues over on AR. Brian, I borrowed some of your ideas here, (with credit given). Hope you don’t mind.
January 24, 2008 — 5:37 am
monika says:
I’ve been preparing for this or something like it for awhile. I am no fan of HV or any lead generating company for that matter. I think I’ll just keeping working my little WordPress blog and watch what happens with/to AR.
January 24, 2008 — 6:46 am
Lola Audu says:
Boy, it’s way to easy to get one’s eyes off the ball and miss what’s staring at you in plain sight! Where have all the AR Google Alerts gone & more importantly Why?
January 24, 2008 — 9:22 am