I’m kicking this back to the top from December 21, 2007. This was, I think, the second the the last time that I pissed off the echo chamber clique of big name real estate webloggers by pointing out that they were thoughtlessly committing a serious error. I was right about the issue addressed here, which is why, despite three or four days of mob outrage, no one adopted the insulting video tactic discussed in this post.
I don’t like the way people behave in these mad spasms, but I don’t care, either. The only behavior I control is my own, and, as I discussed last night, I never take an action I know in advance is morally wrong. Doesn’t mean I’m never in error. My contributions to BloodhoundBlog, very often, are discussions of what I’ve learned from my many, many errors. But I strive never to be intentionally in error.
But I have a unique understanding of the ontology of human ethics, and it’s something I feel a responsibility to share with the readers of this weblog. If you want to see everything I’ve written here on the subject, pursue the Egoism in Action category.
Or don’t. I’m easy enough to ignore — which will tell you a great deal about those mad spasms, if you trouble yourself to think the matter through. But if you want to profit by my experience at this kind of mass communication, I’m happy to share what I know. –GSS
I always thought that bible story about the lost sheep was stupid. If it were me in the story, I would stay right there with the ninety-and-nine, making damn sure that tomorrow it wasn’t the ninety-and-eight. Too bad about the lost sheep, but the mission-critical job has to come first.
Here’s an interesting fact about weblogs, and about internet discussion forums in general: You will almost never hear from the ninety-and-nine. If you manage to build an audience, you will hear from people who are reading your site. That’s a good thing. But if you take those people as being representative of your audience, you are making a mistake. You don’t know with any certainty who your audience is. All you really know is that you will probably never hear from most of them — at least not until they want to hear directly from you.
I’m writing this post to the ninety-and-nine among the readers of BloodhoundBlog. I actually do know quite a bit about y’all, from your emails and from link trails that I follow. The Unchained interest list has been a big eye-opener just by itself.
Anyway, here’s what I have to say: Be careful about the behavior you emulate. I’ve been thinking for days that I wanted to take on this topic in some way or another, but I wasn’t sure how to address it. The issue is this, and it’s something that has bugged me since BloodhoundBlog was just a puppy: As good as the big-name real estate weblogs can be at their best, there is an incestuous kind of cliquishness to them that can lead them — and you — into error.
On BloodhoundBlog, about half of the commenters are big-name real estate webloggers. On other blogs in the RE.net, virtually all of the comments come from other real estate webloggers. Just to make things worse, many of those weblogs deploy the MyBlogLog widget to show pictures of those visitors who are also MyBlogLog members. From the comments and the visual record, you would think that most real estate weblogs are read only by other widely-known real estate webloggers.
This is false. I say this all the time, but obviously I can’t say it enough:
Real estate webloggers are not talking to each other. No matter what we think we are doing, no matter what we might rather be doing, we are always talking to the ninety-and-nine.
This is easy for me to see and to talk about because it is not that important to me to be “buddies” with everyone. Love — romantic and filial love — matters to me, but nothing matters to me more than principle. Unless you are infantilized by circumstance, you can be assured I will never tell you any comforting lies — but that means I will never lie to spare your feelings. If I think you’re wrong, I’m going to say so.
I’m not going to link to it, but the Daniel Rothamel video that was all the rage among real estate webloggers yesterday is wrong, badly wrong, madly wrong, irredeemably wrong. And it stands for me as a textbook example of how the incestuous cliquishness of the RE.net can lead the whole enterprise into irredeemable error.
First, so you know, the video is not funny. It might seem funny to you, but this is because you know — or know of — Daniel. There is actually only one joke in the entire film, which is repeated ad tedium. If you send the link off to people who don’t know Daniel, they will probably be willing to help you understand how unfunny it is.
Second, the video is not important. Your reaction to it as a real estate insider means nothing — less than nothing.
Third, and most importantly, if you don’t know Daniel and if you’re not a real estate insider — if you’re just an ordinary person — the video is deeply insulting. It seems funny to you, if it does, because it would be perceived as being deeply insulting by ordinary people.
Understand that I have a lot of respect for Daniel Rothamel. I don’t know what he thought he was doing in making that video, but what it actually communicates is a profound contempt for ordinary people. Were I to guess, I would guess that he was indeed playing it for laughs among the RE.net clique — and, if this is so, he was completely successful. But I cannot imagine that he thought for even one second that the ninety-and-nine on his weblog would regard themselves as having been complimented by the attention he pays them in that video.
And what of all the other real estate webloggers who picked up that video and embedded it on their own sites? What message are they hoping to convey to the ordinary people who show up, read, absorb and never say a thing? In what way are those folks to regard themselves as having been informed, edified, improved? What conclusions might they draw about their host, when he posts a video that implies that ordinary home sellers are slavering idiots who must be led — like sheep — to their shearing?
I wrote a long time ago that nobody wants to be treated like a lead. Add to that this note: No one, ever, wants to be treated like an idiot, like a child, like a retard. The actual form of the video, qua philosophy, is post-modernism — stolen from here. And like Bob Dylan’s pomo masquerade of a performance, the idea was to include the insiders by excluding the “squares” who just wouldn’t see how funny it is to give a pomo masquerade of a performance. The difference is, Dylan was selling his bunk to the insiders, where the RE.net’s objective is to appeal for business to the “squares” it just went out of its way to insult.
This is not a debatable proposition. The essence of post-modernism is that everything is a joke until suddenly it isn’t. There is no one who thinks his own home is a joke. There is no one who wants to be treated like a joke by a salesperson. There is no rationalization to make this wrong right.
But that’s not the issue. Regardless of what I say here or elsewhere, the incestuously cliquish part of the RE.net will insist that it is talking only to itself. Okayfine. I am talking only to the ninety-and-nine. If your objective in reading BloodhoundBlog is to build and improve your business, do not do as they do. Don’t treat people as leads, and, whatever you do, don’t treat them like idiots. Don’t insult them to score points with your buddies. If you find you’ve stepped in shit, admit it at once, clean up what you can and move on. Do whatever you have to do to remember that the people you are most interested in talking to are the ones you will never hear from until they are ready to hear from you. If you blow them off in some misguided idea of pomo “fun,” they will turn instead to someone wise enough to show them respect.
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Russell Shaw says:
Genius.
December 21, 2007 — 2:16 am
Todd Carpenter says:
I would add that one should not mimic good examples either. Not from national blogs.I think it’s worth noting that Dan Green, Greg Swan, Dustin Luther, Teresa Boardman, Jay Thompson, Lani & Benn Rosales, Rudy Bachraty, myself, and many more have more than one blog. There’s a right and wrong place for everything, and many beginning bloggers don’t see that. You always have to remember who you are talking to, and where the best place to do that is.
December 21, 2007 — 2:33 am
Norm Fisher says:
Now you know better than God? 🙂
December 21, 2007 — 6:33 am
Dave Barnes says:
Greg,
You are being annoying.
Talking about something, but refusing to tell me what “it” is.
I went to http://realestatezebra.com/ looking for something that is funny, but not funny. Very difficult to do with all the not so funny videos on that site.
,dave
December 21, 2007 — 7:05 am
Jay Thompson says:
Whether one agrees or not that Daniel’s video is insulting to the non-RE blog visitor, this post contains a really important message.
Don’t forget your audience.
I’ll be the first to raise my hand and wave wildly that I’ve done this on many occasions. I tend to write for both the real estate audience and the local consumer — probably a mistake, but my blog has been that way since day one and it will stay that way. I know that a lot of what I write holds little interest to the average real estate consumer (though I’ve been surprised at how many [positive] off-blog comments on non-localized posts like the Point2 series I received from the ninety-and-nine).
But the vast majority of blog readers never comment. Greg’s right, those that do, and those that show up in the MBL widget tend, to be other real estate bloggers. That fact makes it easy to get into your head that the only people reading you are other real estate webloggers.
But go look at your stats. Do you think the person searching for “subdivision home sales”, “yourtown local BBQ place”, “how do I sell my state/city/subdivision home?”, etc is a real estate pro/blogger? THOSE are the people that will put shoes on the children (yeah, even the guy looking for food just may keep coming back until he/she needs a real estate agent).
I suspect some will feel that Greg was harsh on Daniel in this post. I don’t think that was the intent. Don’t forget your audience. THAT is the message I take from this post.
December 21, 2007 — 7:17 am
Jonathan Dalton says:
Don’t forget your audience would make a better theme if the same post didn’t point out that you don’t really know who your audience is. Maybe “don’t forget your perceived audience” would be the more apt turn of phrase.
My perceived audience is a grab-bag of agents, the public and Canadians looking to escape the cold. I write for all. Some may argue that means I write for none and to that I respectfully disagree.
What my experience has been is blog readers sift through the various posts to find what they want to read. If you consistently deliver content that’s of no interest then they’ll move on otherwise they’re likely just to skip a day and return. It’s rarely an all-or-nothing situation of “You wrote about Vanilla Pepsi! I’m leaving forever!”
Personally, I hold a theory that hyper-local blogging is vastly overrated. That’s another story for another day.
December 21, 2007 — 7:59 am
Jeff Turner says:
“Your reaction to it as a real estate insider means nothing — less than nothing.”
December 21, 2007 — 8:30 am
Jay Thompson says:
JD wrote: “Some may argue that means I write for none and to that I respectfully disagree.”
I respectfully agree with your disagreement. I’ve been told by a few well intentioned folks that my blog “lacks focus” and you “can not be successful writing for multiple audiences”. Whatever. Maybe it depends on what ones definition of successful is. TPREG is what it is, some seem to like it, others probably not. Can’t please everyone.
“Personally, I hold a theory that hyper-local blogging is vastly overrated. That’s another story for another day.”
And I hold to the same theory. Look forward to your post on it! (you’re committed now…)
December 21, 2007 — 9:12 am
Robert D. Ashby says:
Greg – Excellent point. One thing I do is a daily run down on who visits my personal blog. Through my feedburner account, I can find where they are coming from and what percentage are “newbies”. That helps me understand who the ninety and nine are and helps me write for them.
Since I am now writing on more than one blog, I am also developing a bit of blogging schizophrenia as I try to adapt writing styles to that particular blog’s targeted audience. Actually, I am going to have to blog about blogger’s schizophrenia now, lol.
December 21, 2007 — 9:25 am
Scott says:
I’m reminded of another Biblical reference: the one about getting the plank out of your own eye before you’re critical of your neighbor for the splinter in his….
December 21, 2007 — 9:45 am
Robert Kerr says:
[applause]
December 21, 2007 — 12:03 pm
Larry Yatkowsky says:
I don’t know which was better, the video or this post. Both were righteous!
December 21, 2007 — 1:01 pm
Greg Tracy says:
BHB is pretty close to having ninety and nine contributors now so you may be referring to yourself as much as other webloggers.
You contradict yourself by saying we (webloggers) do not speak to each other but then say that the audience (and those who comment) are webloggers. Commenting is speaking.
Humor is not something you can dictate- no matter how right you think you are- I thought the video was great.
December 21, 2007 — 1:11 pm
Todd Carpenter says:
>>”I’m reminded of another Biblical reference: the one about getting the plank out of your own eye before you’re critical of your neighbor for the splinter in his….”
I think in many ways, that attitude is one of the biggest problems on RE.net. This is all still very new, and not everything that gets done is deserving of a compliment. Critical thought is what makes this move forward.
December 21, 2007 — 1:54 pm
Carole Cohen says:
I agree, don’t mimic anyone; if I include something it’s because I think it represents me, my thinking. I barely blog about real estate if ya wanna know (and you probably don’t) I blog about Cleve econ devel, neighborhood issues, etc. And yeah, some market stats because people in town ask me to do that and I think it’s something I can add that isn’t already available to them.
However, the Dylan song is his version of a style of music that existed long before he showed up; and it worked by the way so I disagree with you on that part. None of the great writers wrote so everyone understood/stands what they are saying; they say what they need to say; which is what I thought you were telling people to do anyway.
December 21, 2007 — 5:11 pm
John Wake says:
Daniel’s creativity was off the charts and he deserves all the recognition he gets for that video.
I linked to it because it’s a cute reminder of the importance of proper pricing to my readers.
Perhaps you haven’t, Greg, but I’ve had clients this year who lost tens of thousands of dollars by not taking my advice on pricing.
I am absolutely doing them a favor by pointing out again in a fresh, friendly way the importance of proper pricing.
Relax!
December 21, 2007 — 6:50 pm
Brian Brady says:
“I barely blog about real estate if ya wanna know (and you probably don’t)”
We know. You’re Cleveland Real Estate News is only eclipsed by your signature sign off- C3. You’re as famous as anyone else
December 21, 2007 — 9:20 pm
Late Night Austin Real Estate Blog says:
I am a little mixed on this. I just went and watched the video. On one hand I agree with Greg that its good to remember your audience. But at the same time I don’t know if the video was that offensive. It would be interesting to ask some consumers about the video and see if they are offended. If I am talking to a plumber or a financial advisor when they present information in a humorous way I am not usually offended. I assume they don’t expect me to know about their field as much as them. So if they are saying don’t do X in a humorous way I dont get the impression that they are saying anyone that does this is an idiot. Just that they are offering advice about the right paths to take and adding in a little humor to make the lecture more interesting.
December 22, 2007 — 5:14 pm
Mariana says:
I agree with everyone and no one at the same time. I apologize for not being able to add more to this discussion, but because of this debacle (no one being wrong or right) I had to make this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeW_MLcaT70
Merry Christmas to you and yours.
December 22, 2007 — 6:45 pm
Carole Cohen says:
Mariana you rock and Bob Dylan would be sooooo proud of you (I am too 🙂
December 22, 2007 — 7:20 pm
Robert says:
I have one of those (never heard of the term until now), “hyper-local RE blog,” and add national news if it might affect us locally, so I’m in no way a part of the RE clique (assuming there is one) by producing posts for it, or encouraging it. Looking at this objectively, since I don’t know any of you from Adam, I completely agree with the above commenter “Late Night Austin RE Blog.” I think he said it perfectly, and uses perfect logic. While it’s true the Zebra guy may have made this video to pander to the supposed clique (which I see as a waste of time), any possible real RE consumer to his website would never pick up on that fact. They’d see it as directed to them.
If anyone of those actual real estate consumers actually got offended by it, it would likely be a very small minority of people, and probably those who have bought and sold 6 or so houses in their lifetime already and “know it all.” The Zebra looks like a young guy, I’m willing to bet that he does much more business (if any?) with less experienced (i.e. Younger) buyers/sellers who will be open to advice like this, in a forum not as foreign to them as it is the older more experienced counterparts who have no need to visit a RE blog and learn. I speak in generalities, of course, but I think my impression is probably accurate.
December 23, 2007 — 10:08 am
www.navyroof.com says:
Its a wonderful topic. I got to many more things here.
Thanks
December 27, 2008 — 3:05 am
Cheryl Johnson says:
Being ever mindful of the “anonymous many” who “stay in the shadows” is an important point.
I didn’t really have an opinion of Daniel’s video last December, so I thought I’d take a look at it again (it’s in Zebra’s archives).
What strikes me now, a year and a market crash later, is that the message “If you want to sell your home, don’t overprice it” sounds so strangely optimistic and sadly naive. 🙂
December 27, 2008 — 4:56 am
J Boyer Morristown NJ says:
I think that the message of “if you want to sell your home, don’t overprice it” is right by half. There are still many home buyers overpricing their homes to be sure, but there are still many many REALTORS out there who manage to get buy doing nothing more than putting a home into the MLS and holding a few open houses.
Home sellers still do not seem to understand that who you hire to sell your home can and usually does make a world of difference in the results, especially in a market where the home buyer rules!!
December 28, 2008 — 9:00 am