My Big Bang Theory is about science colliding with religion, and a lot of noise.
My strike has been temporarily suspended. I got the same advance notice that so many others did of the BIG NEWS this week, but press releases are rarely conveniently timed around my real estate business schedule, so I will chime in late and with benefit of time to contemplate.
Redfin’s latest BIG NEWS was of course about the Second Coming, the first having occurred on 60 Minutes long, long ago. From their blog:
We only worry that the name we’ve given this initiative, “The Real Estate Scientist,” will open us to being mocked. And too, we hesitated to give consumers simple answers due to the complexity of the underlying data… We strove for conclusive answers because we have houses to sell every week, and customers who need straightforward guidance.
I am not in the business of mocking, as you have a pretty solid corner on that market. And that is precisely my objection, my only objection, to your business model – that it is predicated and dependent on convincing a public that your “different” approach is enlightened and studied where mine is one of fly by the seat of my pants, tell the consumer what they want to hear, and hit the streets with nothing but an opinion and a smile.
It is indeed troubling to give simple answers when the data is so complex, but it is much more convenient I suppose. Delivering and interpreting data to support your ongoing argument that every other real estate agent since the beginning of time is too uninformed, addle minded, lazy, or greedy to achieve your level of enlightenment would be so exhausting. That darn science can be just so confusing. Better to just suggest as much, over and over again. Preach long and loud enough, and the congregation will surely take it on faith.
Consumers who have read early drafts of the report overwhelmingly found our recommendations useful and effective. The industry reaction will likely be different. Some will argue that the report substantiates already well-understood tactics, while others will take the exact opposite position, refuting our points one by one.
That pretty much covers all bases, a clever preemptive strike to further the notion that you are a renegade and we (“we” being “everyone else”) are still making fire with sticks. I, of course, could engage in both the “duh” and the “not so fast” arguments, but I don’t really believe it is “informed conversation” that is your goal. Dialogue can really mess up the cadence of a good sermon.
But the truth is that a discussion of how real estate brokerages can deliver better results, based on data rather than just opinion, is in everyone’s best interests. And the findings aren’t simply a prescription for how we’ll serve our customers, but the starting point for an informed conversation about pricing and marketing our listings.
And yet I can’t help talking in church. Is it science or religion that is the foundation of your model? I do have a little science of my own, and this science is based on actual field tests performed over the past decade, from whence those nasty “opinions” that I harbor were formed. Fridays are good for listing a home. Yep! The problem is that a going live in the MLS on Friday will often result in the property not being picked up by the dozens of sites that sweep once a day until after the weekend, not to mention that a mid- to late-day Friday entry will miss the eyes of so many agents who make their Saturday showing appointments on Friday mornings.
Vacant homes are more difficult to sell. Yep! But not always, in the case of the poorly maintained or cluttered home, in the case of the home with too many occupants including pets, or in the case of the tenant occupied home with difficult showing provisions. And not always for the reason you give (that buyers will perceive desperation). Vacant homes, absent careful and costly staging, simply do not speak to the buyer on the same emotional level.
The seller should be motivated. The home should be priced properly. The property should be advertised online. All that.
More science, then. At the risk of sounding blasphemous, Redfin didn’t invent the concept of online advertising. I don’t believe you even invented Craigslist. But I did notice that just two of your three active listings in San Diego are posted there. All of mine are. Did you know you need to refresh listings every seven days? I guess one of your clients got busy and forgot. We do that for our clients. And did you know you can post more than three pictures? Whoops! This one is vacant. Maybe it is better to not show so many photos.
More science. Sometimes it is very hard to practice what you preach. A softening market and unrealistic seller expectations are things we all have to deal with from time to time. I noticed that of your 3 San Diego active listings and 1 pending sale, 4 have gone through a price reduction. I also noticed that one was listed on a Monday and another on a Wednesday, and that the average market time for these homes is 151 days. (Averaging numbers is a “science thing” and involves both addition and division, so I hope I haven’t oversimplified.) Don’t get me wrong, it happens to us all on occasion, since we don’t always have the luxury of dictating our seller’s listing terms. But my science doesn’t match your sermon. We advise, we counsel, and then we play the hand we are dealt to the best of our abilities.
My intent is not to ridicule or attack, Glenn. I like you a lot, and I adore Cynthia, your marketing guru. She deserves a raise, in fact. While I am resigned to delivering my “science” and my message on my website and my little blog and face-to-face with live consumers, you are praying for your deliverance and my demise from a pulpit on national television. And I just find your ongoing proselytizing tiring and dishonest. You are not a savior, and I am not Satan, nor is it the other way around. Science is good, but you have not engineered or even created anything revolutionary, except perhaps a new twist on the old collection plate.
Benn says:
I feel like strong evidence is brewing that more buzz is needed to get that cap injection sooner rather than later.
What is unfortunate is he (Glenn) simply proved the masses correct that Redfin does not create a voice of reason for sellers who are doing exactly what he says you shouldn’t- don’t overprice the home. In the know-it-all world he is creating, he is going to find that sellers already dream of pie in the sky sales price and it is them who set it, and them who do not hire those who are not willing to work for “their price.” But this is two-fold, maybe he gets that, and is saying to his own consumer to start lower and pray for higher- again, misguided. The future of the Redfin consumer is still darts thrown in the dark. The science he touts means nothing to the consumer because there again is no context for the seller to follow- meaning, their neighborhood still has no physical boots on the ground to guide them.
December 17, 2007 — 10:33 am
FSBO Louisville says:
I agree with Benn, I think a LOT more buzz will be needed to get the cap injection asap.
December 17, 2007 — 10:50 am
Cathleen Collins says:
You nailed “it,” Kris. I know, I know, Kelman is such a charming bad-boy — everybody says so. But integrity is clearly missing, at least from his public image. Integrity:
One thing. A monolith. These are concepts that are foreign to Kelman’s being. He’s a politician, wearing the face that he believes his audience wants to see. Charming…
Now, if only that blob of self-satisfied main stream media journalists could catch a clue. If they would only aspire to enlighten and clarify as you’ve done with this post.
December 17, 2007 — 11:36 am
Kris Berg says:
>Now, if only that blob of self-satisfied main stream media journalists could catch a clue.
The truth would be oh-so boring, wouldn’t it? Much more eye-catching and entertaining to ignore the rational and give air time to someone out to feed the popular image of agents as victimizers.
I see pneumonia didn’t kill your spunk, Cathleen. 🙂 Glad you are feeling better.
December 17, 2007 — 12:19 pm
Bob says:
Kris,
Isn’t it unfortunate that the “Truth” is being blured by all this talk of commissions?
What is the Truth?
That all the seller wants is to NET as much as they can out of their sale. What all this focus on commission does is divert their attention on what should be their main goal.
December 17, 2007 — 3:12 pm
Kris Berg says:
Bob – Why is it that people from San Diego are so smart? 🙂
December 17, 2007 — 4:39 pm
Geno Petro says:
Kris…I finally took the time to read all your postings and visit your other blog. I joined BHB not really knowing where everyone else was coming from..by that, I mean the other contributors. Glad to report, I am a big fan.
This whole Web 2.0 real estate off-shoot feeding frenzy–Redfin, Zillow etc–is still pretty much a non issue here in Chicago. And if it were, I’m not sure I’d have the energy or desire swat all the sub-industry flies, gnats and ants off my self made picnic lunch. I sell real estate because I’ve found it to be a pleasant way to make a living in this, the final third of my life. And while I’m not even sure I can even be defined by this occupation, it really ticks me off to be cast in a disparaging media shadow as a consumer hoodwinker.
All these ‘hangers on’ really annoy me simply because they seek profit from the very business they attack. Fine. I just hope they come walking down my street the same day I get up on the wrong side of the bed. In the meantime, you go get ’em. I have your back.
December 17, 2007 — 5:20 pm
Thomas Johnson says:
“a new twist on the old collection plate”
Love the evangelical analogy, but this evangelist charges upfront
http://blog.redfin.com/blog/2007/11/poor_in_tours_no_more.html
for the holy water with which Redf*n annoints the masses,er the $500,000+ median sales price masses. Even the holiest rolliest preacher waits for the collection plate to be passed.
December 17, 2007 — 6:58 pm
Steve Berg says:
It is now apparent that Glenn is suffering from a little case of desperation. It would appear that his venture capital vultures are getting a clue and are circling.
December 17, 2007 — 7:05 pm
Steve Berg says:
One more thing (sorry)- In my little world, a person is defined by their integrity and that is largely defined by their word and their actions. Glenn sat across the table from Kris when she interviewed him, looked her straight in the eye and made the claim (as he has on several occasions, privately) that his model is not at odds with mainstream brokerages and that there was absolutley no reason they (and he/Redfin) could not have a peaceful coexistence. Then he proceeded to slam the industry every time he could find a TV camera. Sorry Glenn, you have but one chance at getting the “integrity thing” right and you failed, miserably.
December 17, 2007 — 7:44 pm
Kris Berg says:
Thanks, Geno. 🙂 Ditto on the “big fan” part.
December 17, 2007 — 10:15 pm
Eric Blackwell says:
@Kris- That was put so well. Kudos to you for a great post that I finally got to read through…and like Geno said…I got your back too, although I am not NEAR as intimidating (Swedish vs Sicilian thingy–grin)
….your fan in Louisville
@Geno- Spot on with the ant, flies trying to eat your self made lunch analogy. Made me smile just thinkin’ about it. Stay warm in Chicago…
December 20, 2007 — 10:26 am
Wayne Long says:
We have clients who only want to look at vacant homes because they are on a short fuse and need to move in right away. We had this situation a week ago and the home they chose was staged which gave it a nice home feel even though it was vacant. They only had a little furniture and few decorations but it was well done. I much prefer this to a cluttered home.
I don’t think Redfin can retain top agents with their pricing model and will in the end self destruct for this among other reasons.
December 22, 2007 — 6:08 am