What constitutes real knowledge? By real, I mean knowledge that is truth, not logically provable by means of rational debate.
If that sounds ambiguous, let me focus the picture a bit.
After the 1927 real estate collapse, the infant Federal Reserve Board decided the best course of action was two-fold in nature. Constrict the money supply, and raise interest rates.
They arrived at that strategy, one which in hindsight would seem to have caused (or at least exacerbated), instead of avoided the Depression, by means of rational debate, logically put forward. We can assume they thought it was clearly the right thing to do. Put plainly — they weren’t trying to cause the Depression.
They were tragically incorrect. Their logic was akin to ‘proving’ the world is flat, which was rationally believed — and logically, God forbid, scientifically proved — for centuries.
How might history have been altered, had the Feds flooded the banking system with cash while simultaneously slashing interest rates? Again, logic tells us they’d have more likely than not, avoided the Depression.
In reality though — we don’t, rather we can’t know that. We can convince ourselves by virtue of the last 80+ years of experience since then — but in the end, we just don’t know for sure.
The Wall Street Journal is now reporting the Treasury Department is in the late stages of negotiations with major lenders to avert next year’s tsunami of interest rate adjustments on over 2 million sub-prime loans.
I’ve been telling anyone who’d listen, for over a year now, lenders were simply not gonna foreclose on hundreds of thousands of homes. The thought itself is ludicrous. The Wall Street gang(sters), better known as either Bears, or one-way @$%^&#’s, are gonna be beside themselves when this is announced. So many of them are invested in bad news — in the most literal sense. They need the economy to tank, at least a little. They’ve shorted everything but their four martini lunches. π For many of them, good economic news is now bad.
Many other Wall Streeters will be elated by this news. The Bulls for instance. In fact, it may be this agreement that acts as the final straw for beleaguered Bears. They may now throw in the towel, or as I said here, finally blink.
Staying on point, the Bears apparently used logic in assessing the future of all these loans.
They concluded lenders would stand idly by while hundreds of thousands of their loans were bound to go belly up? Apparently, they did.
They bet lenders and their investors would behave against their own best interests.
It’s reminiscent of the many times federal income taxes have been significantly cut. There are two distinct schools of thought when it comes to the results of income tax cuts. One treats it as a zero sum game. Lower taxes equals less money collected — period. The other takes into account human nature and therefore human behavior. One says, and proves on paper the world is flat. The other, backed up by empirically documented results, proves the world is round(ish).
Every time income taxes are reduced the two schools pull out their swords and go to battle. It becomes very complex, which is unnecessary, because the results are so easily documented. You’d never know that though, because the zero sum school have hidden (or so they convince themselves) agendas which are violated by lower taxes.
What’s happened every single time income taxes have been cut? Actual dollars collected by the Treasury Department increased — and yes, adjusted for inflation. The three most recent examples are the Kennedy tax cut in the early ’60’s, the Reagan tax cuts in the ’80’s, and the Bush tax cuts a few years ago.
In each case, the Treasury Department reported increased dollar amounts collected as the cuts were implemented. The question though is why? The answer is the same as why lenders will probably go for this ‘voluntary’ interest rate freeze on sub-prime loans.
Human beings tend to behave in a manor protective of their own interests. I’ll pause here so you can make note of that incredible pearl of wisdom. π
When the ’80’s tax cuts were implemented, the top marginal rate was, OMG!, about 70%. It was cut by more than half. Geez, I dunno. Ya think you and I might be more inclined to work harder for more money, if we actually get to keep some of it? Back then, the California top marginal income tax rate was over 11% if memory serves. That means, gulp, once you arrived at the top of both tax schedules, you were allowed to keep a whole 19Β’ after taxes. Let’s see — go to work for 19Β’ on the dollar, or do something else with my time? Please don’t say the rich never paid those taxes, because the incomes to get to that point weren’t as high as most folks think. In fact, if you live in California today, you’re at the top rate way before you ever reach even $50,000 income.
We, as human beings, behave differently under different circumstances. Another pearl. π
The Treasury Department may never arrive at an agreement with lenders and investors. I’m bettin’ on it though. We’ve all had to swallow tough pills in life. For lenders and their investors, this is surely a bitter pill. I believe they’ll swallow it voluntarily.
Let’s pretend you and I are partners, and have invested (loaned) $50 Million to homeowners, all of which are sub-prime. Our choices, very soon, will be clearly defined. We can 1) Go along with the proposed agreement and keep receiving payments on initial and/or teaser interest rates OR 2) Stand tough and let the default/foreclosure chips fall where they may — guaranteeing the erosion of our originally invested capital.
#1 keeps us going while both significantly (hugely) reducing the number of defaults/foreclosures in the next year — therefore preserving much more of our originally invested capital.
#2 almost guarantees we’ll have tremendous losses through missed interest payments and actual loss of invested capital. Not only that, but we’ll ensure insult to injury because of all the extra costs involved in selling the foreclosed properties.
The underlying principle remains: Lenders LEND. Threaten that and they’ll figure a way. This agreement, if reached, will not only give them a way to keep lending, but will give them cover by allowing them to appear somewhat altruistic. Without this agreement, once the foreclosure tsunami hits, they won’t be lenders any longer.
They won’t allow that to happen.
Here’s an afterthought. There have been some Wall Street types who’ve recently adopted the strategy of buying sub-prime loans in large packages at significant discounts. The sellers of these loans had to think the discount was better than holding them and risking all the losses from defaults/foreclosures. If this agreement with the Treasury Department is reached and widely applied, those who executed this strategy will realize huge returns.
Maybe they relied on the axiom — Lenders Lend. π
Russell Shaw says:
Killer post, Jeff. Insightful and funny, too. π
December 2, 2007 — 9:58 am
Wayne Long says:
Exactly! You are right on target. It makes no sense to adjust the interest rate to a point that the borrower cannot repay and then foreclose on inventory while thru those actions simultaneously reducing the value of that inventory.
Ray Charles could see that! π
December 2, 2007 — 12:38 pm
Lane Bailey says:
Gee… you mean that you want to try to find a logical connection between lower tax rates and increased collections?
I know that it has worked almost every time, but this time will be different. At least the party of never cutting taxes for people that earn money says it will be different.
And, if people are rewarded for bad decisions, they won’t make bad decisions again…
December 2, 2007 — 2:12 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Thanks Russell — always pleases me to put a smile on your face.
December 2, 2007 — 3:56 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Wayne — You’d think anyone could see this, right? Thanks
December 2, 2007 — 3:58 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Lane — Go back to the part where I allude to others who have hidden agendas. Those are the only guys who think lowering taxes is a bad idea. π
It’s not worked almost every time, it’s been every single time. Surveys have shown, the more money you allow people to keep, the more and harder they work.
Makes one feel silly even having to write that, doesn’t it? π
December 2, 2007 — 4:01 pm
Wayne Long says:
Jeff said: “Itβs not worked almost every time, itβs been every single time. Surveys have shown, the more money you allow people to keep, the more and harder they work.”
Again, exactly. Jeff – you and I are on the same wave length. Again, Ray Charles. π
December 2, 2007 — 4:51 pm
Brian Brady says:
Jeff:
Do you see the insanity on this agreement? It’s deja-vu all over again.
The shadow banking system (Wall Street) made risky loans against inflated collateral. So, there will be a bailout, which stabilizes housing prices… kind of. Instead of the bloodletting that was coming, the Treasury allows subsidized loans from unworthy lenders to unworthy borrowers. That protects the least competitive participants in the economy.
Rust Belt manufacturing companies did this to the Sun Belt upstarts in the late 70s; rather than deal with their labor issues, they legislated costly OSHA requirements, in concert with Big Labor, to put institute a barrier of entry against the more efficient, lower cost, manufacturing firms in the Southeast. The result? Manufacturing migrates abroad.
This Treasury deal will do just that. It keeps homeowners, who had an unfair low rate for the risk, in a home at a subsidized rate. Meanwhile, the responsible Joe, who patiently saved his money, loses out because loan guidelines have been tightened.
Now, you’ll have sellers that don’t have to sell and buyers who won’t buy. Housing prices, combined with the higher cost of food and oil, has created cost-push inflation . Mix in a slowdown because of the tighter loan guidelines (no lending or selling and buying) and you have an economic contraction. The result? 1970’s-style stagflation.
This is Nixonian wage-price controls. That lasted 90 days. This one will last 3-4 years. I much prefer the former.
We “Doomsday pundits” expected market forces to act rationally, free of government intervention. This “price freeze” will end up where the last one got us; a bumbling President pushing green button with a “slogan” on them (W.I.N.).
When will it finally be over? When a Fed Chairman, with cojones the size of Volker’s, raises rates to let the air out of the balloon.
When will it finally be over? When buyers can really afford the houses.
December 2, 2007 — 8:59 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Brian — I would go as far down the Nixonian road as you do. He was literally using government force to compel business to use his prices — literal price control.
OK, I get it — this is quasi-price control, with a whole lost of quasi. π
Your scenario though doesn’t take in the downside Bernanke apparently foresees. He’s thinking 1927 real estate collapse, leading to depression.
By calling for rate increases you’re with the Bears here, a legitimate position, but one with which I disagree.
I agree the loans in question are from poor underwriting made to mostly unqualified borrowers. If the lenders choose to do this, based upon their own analysis of what’s in their best interests, I say let the chips fall where they may.
We’ve both said many times, if all those sub-prime loans do end up in default, the world would keep spinning. I haven’t changed my thinking there. However, lenders aren’t stupid. Bailout — whether under the cover of a ‘voluntary’ agreement, or imposed by gov’t force is the correct word here.
It’s the results of this agreement on which we disagree. I think life keeps going on, the earth keeps spinning, and there’s no harm done to markets, as you suggest.
As a matter of fact, we both agree it’s not as big a problem in the giant credit universe as the media portrays. Since that’s the case, why would this agreement make such a big deal to the market place overall? It really makes a huge difference to the individual borrowers — and the lenders who’d be put outa business without allowing it to happen. (And yes, we DO agree most of the idiot lenders should be gone. π )
December 2, 2007 — 9:30 pm
Jeff Brown says:
The first sentence of my last comment should say, …I would NOT go down the Nixonian path…
December 2, 2007 — 9:33 pm
Brian Brady says:
Jeff,
Why do I think about such stuff? I wrote that comment 30 minutes ago, and it has consumed me since.
Here is my conclusion; fair or not, the deck is stacked FOR housing in this country and not just a little bit. Politicians hold the homestead in such high esteem that they’ll stiff Gen Y with the bill for GenX’s mistakes.
I’m giving up all critical thought and playing along. Let’s hope it inspires round two of the boom. I’ll quietly disagree, all the way to the bank.
December 2, 2007 — 9:42 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Brian — It’s not exactly my favorite French Silk pie from Baker’s Square either. π But not only will one of the pillars of the country’s famous Dream be kept in view, albeit more than a little tarnished, but, as you so eloquently put it — we’ll be refreshing our palates all the way to the bank. π
December 2, 2007 — 9:48 pm