I found myself this morning checking out our blog traffic stats. I don’t know why I do this exactly – It’s idle curiosity, I suppose. I’ll know when my blog hits the big time. That will be the day when I am so busy meeting with clients and closing escrows that I won’t have time to visit our site’s back end.
We blog for sport, we blog for exposure, but mostly we blog for business. There – I said it. Anyone who says otherwise is not being honest. Oh, sure, it has become an addiction, and I sincerely believe that if I retired from my day job today, I would still be blogging tomorrow. It can have that kind of hold on you.
In the meantime, blogging needs to either be a hobby or a component of my business plan. As of press time, it is a little of both. Speaking to the business side of things, my Google-ability is generally of very little concern to me. “Blasphemy!” you say. Let me explain.
Unless the person stumbling on to my site through a search bar is looking to buy or sell a home in San Diego, they are of no value to me from a business perspective. Further, I am most interested in the person who is looking to buy or sell a home in San Diego and who actually lives in San Diego. Sure, there is the potential to attract the eyes and business of people relocating from Duluth, but relocation business is time intensive, needle-in-the-haystack work. We welcome the work, but it is a lower percentage play, much more difficult to cultivate and convert. So if you agree that the local audience is the audience for which you perform, why give a fig about SEO?
Everyone give a warm welcome to Panama!
Jay Thompson through one of his posts turned me on to Who’s Amung Us. They have a nifty little map widget that allows you to display current and past visitors to your site and their location. Here is what my visitor map for the San Diego Home Blog looks like:
(Note: The previously posted real-time map has now been replaced by a screen shot to account for the fact that the author is stupid. By embedding my map here and at my home blog, I was showing all of the Bloodhound’s traffic too. While this made me look much more influential back in San Diego, it really wasn’t fair. Alert husband knew that something was amiss when 20 stars were blinking back at him. With a readership of three, this is statistically not possible.)
This is a scary little feature, scary because I live in constant fear that my map will display only one visitor – me. Yet, I find it has value. The value to me is that it serves as a constant reminder that people actually read my drivel posts. A few days without adding fresh content and a half-dozen blinking lights reminds me that I had better get typing. Beyond this, it is a sobering visual which suggests that the business versus hobby scale of my blogging may be leaning in the wrong direction if solvency is my goal.
The widget continuously updates, so you will have to take my word for it when I tell you that at 6:00 AM this morning I was delighted to find that Panama was in the room. This led me to my back end stats counter in search of The Truth (why in the heck is Panama on my blog?). Here is just a smattering of my most recent 100 visitors and the corresponding keywords that snagged their attention:
Panama – “Days left in summer” (None, by the way.)
Italy – “Saldana and Afghani” (Huh?)
Long Beach, California and Ankara, Turkey – “Girls volleyball” (Laurie? Is that you?)
Hayden, Alabama – “Houses rolled with toilet paper” (Sicko.)
Allendale, Michigan – “Too much fiber one” (Sorry – I’ll try to sweeten things.)
United States – “San Diego boat junk yard” (I’m not sure about the boat-thing, but I will generally give you that one.)
Los Angeles, California (CBS) – Leslie Appleton-Young (Uh-oh. I smell trouble Leslie Stahl.)
So, for the long-tail searches involving toilet paper, the changing of the seasons, a healthy diet, high school athletics and “Saldana and Afghani” (which, by the way, for some unknown reason led to an image I had posted of Spam on a plate), I rock. Obviously, the keywords I care about most, such as “San Diego Real Estate”, are nearly impossible to crack. And, ironically, I have unthinkingly typed the less popular term “Scripps Ranch” into articles so many times that I have given up on manicures, yet you won’t find me through Google that way unless you follow it with “blog”, “floor plans” or “toilet paper”.
Does this mean that blogging is for naught? Not. We get results, and we can point to many transactions which came as a direct or indirect result of blogging, but they were not related to searchability. Our success has been related to local promotion of the site as a complement to our other marketing undertakings. The visitors I care most about are the ones who intentionally find me by typing in the URL. They are the ones who I speak to and who are more inclined to return, stay, and ultimately hire me.
My detractors will say I am short-sighted and even flat-out wrong, but I think it is an enormous mistake to spend any measurable amount of time worrying about keywords and SEO. If you write frequently, if you write on topic, and if you write with style and passion, the visitors will follow. Over time, I suspect I just might find what I am not looking for, that elusive Google-ability. Until then, being overly concerned about SEO would just be chasing my, albeit long, tail.
Jay Thompson says:
“My detractors will say I am short-sighted and even flat-out wrong, but I think it is an enormous mistake to spend any measurable amount of time worrying about keywords and SEO.”
I dunno Kris, I’d say you are far-sighted and flat-out right. Search results are nice. It feeds my ego to see my blog on page one for “Phoenix real estate”. But the fact is, while I do get traffic from that search, it typically is not traffic that leads to a contact via email or phone. (unless you count someone trying to sell me something as “contact”.)
Blogging is a marathon, not a sprint. About half my non-RSS visitors come from Google searches. A significant portion is other real estate agents. Others are looking for places to eat, things to do, or God knows what. But some are looking for an agent. For whatever reason, some like what they see. Undoubtedly some do not and move on to find someone else. And that’s fine. I will not change who I am for the sake of gaining a client.
Nor will I change how I write/think/feel for the sake of Google, Yahoo, MSN et al.
Focusing a blog solely on search results leads to forced writing. It leads to “salesy” writing. Blog readers are in general a bright bunch of people. They know what they are looking for and most (if not all) aren’t looking to have an agent jammed down their throat.
I have a horrifically over-simplfied SEO philosophy.
Write for your readers. Write in your “voice”. Search results tend to follow.
November 8, 2007 — 9:18 am
Jay Thompson says:
By the way, Puerto Rico or Haiti or some such place is blinking now…
November 8, 2007 — 9:19 am
Brian Wilson says:
I guess it all depends who you’re targeting and what your goal is. I’ve read blogs and met people on both sides of the SEO fence, and they are all just as passionate and adamant as the other side.
Brian Wilson, Zolve.com
November 8, 2007 — 9:19 am
Ken Smith says:
Just like anything in this business there isn’t one correct way to go about things. With a little extra thought you most likely could increase your rankings, but if that isn’t what you want to focus on then do what works for you. It amazes me how many agents (and people in general) feel there is only one way to do something. As with anything in this business do what works for you and what you are willing to commit to.
November 8, 2007 — 9:38 am
Geno Petro says:
Kris…thank you. Now I don’t have to toil over a clever way to say the same thing as you or Jay Thompson. Writing and selling feels like opposite sides of my brain are tugging at each other and I have a tough time being motivated to do both at the same time. I think that’s why I always have to find a related ‘story’ to make my point.
I never knew what a blog was until a year or so ago. Our office SEO set all of us (realtors) up on Blogger in December of 2005 to provide links to the main company site but I never seriously played around with it until last Thangsgiving weekend. I only did a few cut and paste posts prior to then
I wasn’t sure what to write about so I wrote about where Oprah lives here in Chicago. To this day, a week doesn’t pass without someone landing on my site from Google looking for Oprah. I’m told though by our SEO, that my blog is responsible for the majority of ‘organic’ activity to our main company website—which fluxes between Page 1 and Page 2 Google presence for ‘Chicago Real Estate’ (or some similar combination of key words). There are over 2500 Brokerages in Chicago and ours is one of the smallest with less than 20 agents so our web presence is big, capturing 20-30 new Registrants a day. 2 or 3 a week come from my blog which computes into a new listing or client in the car from that source, every month.
Anyway, enough about me. I loved this post.
November 8, 2007 — 9:44 am
Kris Berg says:
>By the way, Puerto Rico or Haiti or some such place is blinking now…
Woo-hoo! Latin America, here I come! And, if I am not mistaken, I see that the Canadian Northwest Territories just chimed in. Isn’t this, if not the least bit lucrative, a load of fun?
Although I mostly agree with Jay (because he agrees with me 🙂 ), I agree with everyone else that there is no truly right answer. For a local “girl in the trenches” agent, however, I am going to continue my myopic approach.
November 8, 2007 — 9:46 am
Brian Brady says:
If you’re blogging for business, you might enjoy the front page of Google; the inquiries skyrocket when that happens.
You’re already on page two for “Scripps Ranch Real Estate” for your market reports. I have found that if you put “the date” and “reports” in the title and write those reports weekly, you’ll crack the first page very quickly without compromising the journalistic integrity of your site.
November 8, 2007 — 10:12 am
Daniel Rothamel says:
Kris,
I can appreciate what you mean. Type “personal zamboni” into Google and notice the #1 result. I actually get about a dozen hits per month from this search term, and I wrote the post over a year ago. Talk about long tails. . .
November 8, 2007 — 10:16 am
Kris Berg says:
Okay – This is funny. By embedding “my widget” in Greg’s blog, I am now getting his traffic on what was my map. Duh. It looks like the Northwest Territories are all yours, Greg. Now, I am off to remove my pretty little widget and replace it with a screen shot. 🙁
November 8, 2007 — 10:24 am
Sean M. Broderick, CCIM says:
Kris..
I put the map widget on my site just now.. And there is only one star blinking (gasp).. it’s me 🙂
It makes the world seem like a lonely place..
I’ve had a number of “pros” try to sell me on the benefits of their SEO services as a way of generating traffic and ad revenue, but I started the blog as a way of passing along to my family in Florida without resending multiple emails for their requests to resend the original email.. After repeated frustration, I capitulated and started a blog, giving them the link so they could review at will..
Great topic..
November 8, 2007 — 11:19 am
Eric Blackwell says:
Kris–
I feel a post coming on…grin. Those who truly do SEO right have a focus that is eerily similar to yours! With a minor twist or two…
Blogging and SEO (which I will have to define pretty tightly) are NOT and need not be mutually exclusive.
Stay tuned for a post, my friend. You said what a LOT of people WISH they had said. KUDOS.
Eric
November 8, 2007 — 11:32 am
Bob Wilson says:
The truth is that you can have it both ways. The problem Jay has with real estate blog traffic converting is that most buyers don’t care about the content that most real estate bloggers create. They want to see inventory and they want information that is pertinent to them – they don’t care about the industry.
Most real estate bloggers write for each other. You get comments that way. Consumers tend to not leave comments. Write for the consumer and your search engine traffic, and leads, will increase.
November 8, 2007 — 11:42 am
Jeff Brown says:
So here comes BawldGuy with his normal rant on this subject.
All you SEO guys — Lord knows I’ll never write another ‘SEO’ post, though in the end I was dead right. 🙂
I’ll just capture the central theme of that post with a sentence or two.
Let’s have a contest. Everyone beating the world with their SEO vs revenue banked by effectively blogging.
Christmas is just weeks away. Let’s compare how much booty your SEO scores at the mall compared to actual banked blog related revenue.
I’ve always thought Steve and Kris were doing a whole bunch of business as either a direct or indirect result of their blog. Now I’m convinced of it.
I’m betting they’re banking the commissions, not the rankings. 🙂
November 8, 2007 — 12:51 pm
Jay Thompson says:
Bob wrote: The problem Jay has with real estate blog traffic converting..
I don’t think I said I had a problem converting blog traffic. At least I didn’t intend to.
Do all blog visitors “convert”? Of course not. But plenty enough do.
November 8, 2007 — 1:36 pm
Eric Blackwell says:
Jeff-
You do not want to go there–about money. PLEASE wait for my post. It will make more sense then. but arrogantly saying that you are closing more than I am when my leads from my website help feed our office of 120 agents. There are also a couple of BIG time successful folks who commented here that have had more success than you might imagine online. It’s different IMO, but not wrong.
You can make a blog far more search engine friendly WITHOUT stuffing keywords everywhere. I spend a significant part of my day working with bloggers to be more effective and with folks bent on SEO to make them focus on their audience and not “City Real Estate”.
Hopefully the post I write will clarify that somewhat.
Best;
Eric
November 8, 2007 — 1:54 pm
Steve Berg says:
Seems to me that the (long)tail is wagging the dog here.
(Sorry, I couldn’t resist. If I had waited any longer, BawldGuy would have nailed it first.)
November 8, 2007 — 2:16 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Eric — First of all tough guy, back the truck up.
>PLEASE wait for my post. It will make more sense then. but arrogantly saying that you are closing more than I am when my leads from my website help feed our office of 120 agents.
Please find where I was speaking of myself.
I said very clearly, >Let’s have a contest. Everyone beating the world with their SEO vs revenue banked by effectively blogging.
I never mentioned myself. I was referring to all the bloggers out there who, as you so ‘helpfully’ point out, are indeed banking dollars as a direct result of their blogging.
I also spoke of Steve and Kris Berg as examples — again, nothing whatsoever about myself.
I’m sure you’re the best thing since sliced bread on this subject, In fact, I’ve never been afraid to either confess ignorance or being outright wrong.
I would never come on this blog, especially as a contributor, and say “I close more….etc.”
Eric, you might be big stuff where you come from, but you don’t get to talk to me that way. You have something to say, make sure you have your facts straight.
I’m a pretty easy going guy as contributors to this blog who know me will attest. If you disagree with me, don’t put words in my mouth, then call me arrogant, because I’ve said something with which you don’t agree.
YOu can take your attitude and put it where the sun don’t shine.
November 8, 2007 — 2:31 pm
Brian Brady says:
I’m inclined to agree with Bob Wilson- listings (for Realtors) and Rates( for originators) offer what a consumer wants.
Conumers do respond to case studies, though. I have gobs of inquiries come from any case study posts I do. Blogging seems to sell intangible ideas well but rates reports drag the majority of the inquiries in.
November 8, 2007 — 2:33 pm
Brian Brady says:
PS-
I’m convinced that SEO is like religion- nobody has it TOTALLY figured out, yet.
November 8, 2007 — 2:34 pm
Kris Berg says:
November 8, 2007 — 2:36 pm
Bob Wilson says:
Jay, I was referring to this line: “But the fact is, while I do get traffic from that search, it typically is not traffic that leads to a contact via email or phone.”
I took that to mean that much of it isn’t converting to a lead. Conversion is tied to how much what they find is related to what they search for. The more specific the page to their search, the more contacts.
Kris stated “they were not related to searchability. Our success has been related to local promotion of the site as a complement to our other marketing undertakings. The visitors I care most about are the ones who intentionally find me by typing in the URL”.
My point is that it’s not an either/or, SEO vs blogging argument, which many bloggers make. Better rankings would deliver more people looking for Scripps real estate, many who would never know her otherwise and serve to make Kris even more money.
November 8, 2007 — 2:38 pm
Eric Blackwell says:
Jeff-
No offense intended. Please wait for my post. My apologies for any unintended harm.
BUT challenging “All you SEO guys out there” was inflamatory in my book…
I DO in fact think there is a nexxus between very talented bloggers and those who are very talented at SEO. I respect both talent pools very much.
I would agree with Bob Wilson as well that to whom you direct the writing is very important. I’d add that it is far more difficult to write for the consumer, because their strongest desire is look at pictures of properties.
Once again. No harm was intended and I did not mean to belittle anyone. Again please wait for my post and let’s see if we don’t find quite a bit to agree upon.
Best;
Eric
Best;
November 8, 2007 — 2:48 pm
Kris Berg says:
What I meant to say (where did I go?) is something along the lines of this:
>The problem Jay has with real estate blog traffic converting is that most buyers don’t care about the content that most real estate bloggers create. They want to see inventory and they want information that is pertinent to them – they don’t care about the industry.
Bob, I don’t think Jay has a problem with his blog, but I agree that users want content. At the same time, the industry banter is important, and for two reasons. One, this is where the comments come from, and a site without comments is as exciting as watching a Geico commercial. Two, I continue to believe that people want to align themselves with professionals who care about and have a passion for their business, and who are committed to staying knowledgeable and relevant. Yes, consumers dig stats, but they also “like to watch”.
Steve, Get back to work.
November 8, 2007 — 2:55 pm
Bob Wilson says:
I’ll add one more thing here.
Kris is the unmistakable exception to the rule. I think how Kris is able to write for two audiences at the same time is amazing. I don’t think there is anyone out there who does it better. It’s why I said better rankings would make her more money.
November 8, 2007 — 2:59 pm
Bob Wilson says:
Didn’t see your last post Kris. I agree.
November 8, 2007 — 3:01 pm
Kris Berg says:
>Kris is the unmistakable exception to the rule.
NOW, we are getting somewhere! We are saying nice things about Kris! 🙂
November 8, 2007 — 3:02 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Eric — ‘All you SEO guys out there…’ is a neutral comment at best.
At worst it’s open to the reader’s interpretation.
Your comment had obvious intent to offend, and was taken as it was intended. Words have meaning, and you chose your words to have the meaning you meant to convey. There was nothing unintentional about it.
That said, I’m sure I could study full time for a year, what you do for a living, and still not know as much as you’ve forgotten. What I believe, and have posted on this blog by the way, says clearly what I think on the subject.
Greg didn’t bring you onto Bloodhound because he thought you were pedestrian. He obviously thinks you’re a cut above special. I’ve learned to trust Greg’s judgment because of his track record.
November 8, 2007 — 3:40 pm
Jay Thompson says:
Bob wrote: “Jay, I was referring to this line: “But the fact is, while I do get traffic from that search, it typically is not traffic that leads to a contact via email or phone.””
That was in reference to one specific serch term –“Phoenix Real Estate”. It returns over 5 million pages. My blog has been on page 1 for that term for awhile now. Many consider “City real estate” the “gold standard” for real estate search terms.
I don’t think it is.
That search term accounts for about 3% of my visitors. Other — generally more long tailish — search terms account for about 50% of traffic.
It’s extremely difficult to attach a single search term to a certifiable contact. When I ask people how they found me, they usually say, “on the Interent”. The Internet is a big place. Sometimes they will say “from your blog” or “from your website”. Sometimes they contact me first through the contact form on the blog. But often it’s via regular email or phone, so there is no way to know for sure how they first stumbled across us.
I can tell from analytics that most people using the term “Phoenix real estate” leave the blog relatively quickly. Many almost immediately click on the MLS search. But generally speaking, wheter it’s the blog or the static website, folks that find it via a broad generic term like “Phoenix real estate” aren’t nearly as viable a prospect as someone who finds the blog/site via a more specific term (like “subdivision real estate/agent/realtor” or even town/east valley homes, realtor/real estate, etc.)
I don’t have even remotely enough time to try to optimize all my blog posts for specific terms that will generate the most prospects. I just write, and the search results usually follow. Sometimes not.
You never know what can turn into a lead. I have a post that is on page one of Google for “Vanilla Pepsi”. I clearly didn’t write that expecting to find a client. But I did. And that stupid post gets found by someone every few days.
Yes, SEO is important. Yes, blogging about local real estate is important. Others will disagree, but I think you can also blog about the real estate industry and national issues and local readers will appreciate it — if nothing else than for the fact that they like to see first hand that their realor has a clue about the industry and cares enough about their profession to have an opinion.
“Hyper local” is a great thing. SEO is a great thing. But not every post has to be hyper local and SEO’d to the hilt. It’s OK to write a post about Vanilla Pepsi, or your cat breaking its leg (which resulted in a listing). Did that seller pick us because my dumb ass cat broke it’s leg? No. But to quote that particular client, “I loved your cat post. We’ve been looking for an agent and knew you were right for us”.
That’s good enough for me.
November 8, 2007 — 4:47 pm
Ken Smith says:
There is no question that you don’t have to have it one way or another. IMO The best bloggers out there understand that to get their message out that SEO is important so they reach a broader market. But there is no question you can have huge success without ever looking at SEO if you use PPC or local advertising. Again everyone needs to remember what works for you isn’t the only way to do things.
November 8, 2007 — 5:42 pm
Bob Wilson says:
>That was in reference to one specific search term –”Phoenix Real Estate”.
I understood that Jay. That was all I was referring to.
>”I can tell from analytics that most people using the term “Phoenix real estate” leave the blog relatively quickly.”
No doubt. They probably aren’t looking for a blog.
For “San Diego real estate”, only 20% of my traffic that arrives via that query leaves the site without going deeper. 60% look for homes.
“But generally speaking, whether it’s the blog or the static website, folks that find it via a broad generic term like “Phoenix real estate” aren’t nearly as viable a prospect as someone who finds the blog/site via a more specific term”
If your visitors who find you via that query aren’t sticking around, then I would agree. However, for many, that term is being specific. I don’t know much about Phoenix, so I would be searching “phoenix real estate” if I were looking to move to the Phoenix area.
I learned a long time ago not to debate religion and politics. I certainly didn’t intend to debate the ambiguous term that is SEO. To put a twist on Brian’s “seo is like religion” line, seo is like religion in that even people who share a similar faith see things differently. What I do know is that this is a numbers game, and more visitors means more opportunity.
November 8, 2007 — 8:49 pm
Morgan Brown says:
The sentiment that ‘most real estate bloggers don’t write stuff that interests their customers, just other agents’ is, with an occasional exception to prove the rule, spot on in my short tenure as a blogger.
November 8, 2007 — 10:59 pm
Morgan Brown says:
I’d like to further add that a wise man once told me that blogging started as a multiplicity of voices and opinions and styles; each one making the fabric of the quilt the more unique, beautiful and ultimately valuable. To impose order, rules and standards is ultimately in direct opposition to the bottom-up development of the blogosphere.
Top down is the natural evolution of events for people who feel that there is a ‘right’ way to do things. The need to put best practices in place or define the best is a typical human reaction to some thing with a lack of order.
The first thing to remember about blogging is 1. there is no prescribed right way and 2. if what ever you are doing is working for you on some level that creates value for you then you are way ahead of the game.
SEO optimization is one means to an end. It is not the only means, it is not some black-hat art that degrades the quality of writing (when done within the Google prescribed limits), it is and it isn’t effective at different levels just like anything else. People that use SEO well good for them; people that don’t good for them too. Everything else is just noise.
November 8, 2007 — 11:17 pm
Bente B says:
SEO has to be targeted to your narrow area. My site which is difficult to rank for because of the name. We are in Orange County New York and have a very difficult time competing for that phrase with the OC in Florida and California. So we have had to target the cities and in our area for keyword searches. It has been moderately successful, but can’t seem to get onto the first page in google except for the longest tail keywords.
March 6, 2009 — 1:17 pm
Scott G says:
In order to compete in the years ahead we all need to be mindful of SEO when it comes to our online presence. A website or blog is no good to anyone if it can’t be found. It will simply be an online business card.
March 7, 2009 — 9:43 am