First off, I’m gonna say right up front, I’m not a house agent, and haven’t been since President Jimmy was in office tellin’ all of us our attitudes sucked. Of course, becoming an ‘investment agent‘ back then wasn’t what one would call prescient timing. About the time I’d learned enough to become dangerous, we had what we now call a correction.
Since everyone’s all excited these days about transparency, I thought I’d disclose I’m not a house agent, even though I’m about to give a boatload of house agent advice. Furthermore, the advice I’m about to give, isn’t new — it’s just my angle on things.
I was a house guy for my first seven years. My main source of business was generated by farming activities. I’d read a few books, and was unimpressed. Then I was given one by my broker, and after reading it, I’d thought he’d given me the key to the vault. 🙂
It was written by the owner of the well known real estate licensing school, Lumbleau. He was the founder, John J. Lumbleau. It told about a concept called Farming, which really furrowed my brow. Remember, this was the early ’70’s — farming? In real estate?
Even though it involves a little technology, I guarantee you, if I can handle it, your Aunt Fannie can do it. My son Josh’s favorite question for me is, “You made that up, right? You can’t be serious, asking me that question!” It’s almost always a software or a basic computer question, so honest, the hi-tech will be easy.
I’ve been speaking to a few agents around the country this year. I’ve said the same thing to all of them: Build a hyper-local farm as a website/blog.
See? Told ya it wasn’t anything new.
The problem as I see it, is nobody (that I’ve found so far) does it the way I think would work like gangbusters. I keep hearing agents, a couple whom I know, say they tried it, but there just wasn’t any traction. In my opinion they didn’t give it even half a chance to take its first breath. Also, I’d bet my last quarter’s earnings they did about 10% of what I think is required to make it successful. I saw firsthand what one of them did — and to be kind, it was pathetic. Seriously weak. His best shot was something about him being their neighborhood expert….here it comes….serving all their real estate needs.
I kid you not.
Before I start telling you what I’d do, here’s my flimsy credentials for even having the you-knows to offer up this golden opportunity.
While selling homes, I farmed — in the ’70’s. We called it real estate 0.1 back then — not.
It was only about 400 homes or so. I knocked on each door monthly. To make a long story short, after about eight months I was taking two of every three listings from that neighborhood. My broker back then used to hate it when it was cold and drizzly, because three or four housewives would feel sorry for me, inviting me in for ‘a quick cup of coffee to warm you up’. Some days I returned wired for sound.
After a year, appraisers, mostly FHA/VA back then, were calling me for the latest comps. Life was good. I was so oblivious to the economy I wasn’t aware the two year life of that farm was the recession of ’74-’75. Go figure. I was 22 when I knocked on my first farm door.
It’s my belief this approach will work — and on a major scale. In fact, I’ve told the above mentioned agents they could, if so inclined, literally operate 2-5 separate farms encompassing 3-5,000 homes.
(Rod Serling’s voice)
Imagine, if you will, a blog site having more info on your neighborhood than you ever thought existed. I don’t mean boring real estate stuff, as any yahoo can generate that boring crap. I’m talking about reading about your son Steve’s game winning, last inning double in yesterday’s Little League game — complete with pictures. Yep, each neighborhood blog would be a de facto newspaper, with all the work that goes with it.
As an aside, all listings obtained this way would have their own websites linked from the blog. They would be elegant, and photographed within an inch of their lives. What kinda listing tool do you think that’d be? Just another perk for the blog. I repeat — nothing new. However, everyone is already coming to your ‘neighborhood’ site, and now they see how each listing is turned into its own website.
School News
All the info about the elementary school’s science fair. Who won? Who didn’t, but had a pretty cool project anyway? Who got straight A’s? Who is the principal there, and what can he tell you about what’s going on? Field trips — visiting celebrities — and all the big to-do’s parents would love to read about.
Same goes for middle and high schools of course. Gee, I wonder if Mom and Dad will like seeing Susie’s picture in your blog getting her 1st Place ribbon for the 5th grade spelling bee? Ya think?
The PTA will fall in love with you. How could they not? You’re publicizing their every move — for free. The movers and shakers, ahem — parents who live in your farm, are quoted, and sometimes pictured. In other words, their efforts are getting public recognition, and you’re the one doing it.
The local police will do pretty much whatever you want, as soon as they see you’re really, truly offering your community a solid service. Anyone who sees what you’re doing will cooperate with you. It’s a no-brainer for them. Some may be slower than others, but once they actually look at your work, they’ll see how much good the blog’s actually doing.
And they’ll be right. You will be.
Churches
Aside from sports, this one I’ve got down cold. I’m a PK (preacher’s kid) for Heaven’s sake — pun intended. This group, if handled with absolute honesty and integrity, could very well end up pointing more business your way than the rest combined. This will be easier of course, if you actually attend a church in one of the farms. That said, converting for credibility isn’t recommended. 🙂
Churches always have many things going on, and welcome sincere outside help. A special speaker is coming next month? Put it on the neighborhood blog. Give contact info. In no time they’ll be calling you — a real time saver. (Heck, that’s what happened to me over 30 years ago.) What about church camp in summer? In my experience, churches know when someone is truly doing them a service — and they’re grateful. If you’re taking pictures at a church outing, and they appear, with permission, in the neighborhood blog, it helps them reach out. That’s their agenda in a nutshell — and you’re doing some of the heavy lifting for them.
Sports
I already mentioned Little League. There’s high school sports — boys and girls. The opportunities for pictures are phenomenal. I’ve still got newspaper clippings from Josh’s glory days. (son) Getting to know the coaches and league leadership will be invaluable. Again, once they see you’re for real, they’ll sometimes call you. Do you think kids wanting to write will help out with the reporting? Of course they will. How do you think this will go over with the kids’ homeowner parents?
Duh.
Schools, churches, and sports are only three of almost an infinite number of subjects your blog/newspaper can cover. Major local community stuff is in endless supply — and important to at least a few of the thousands of homeowners in your farm(s).
Look, I said this isn’t anything new.
If looked at closely though, and I have, there still isn’t anyone in the country doing it at the level I would — and I think I know why.
It’s incredibly labor intensive up front. Seriously though, how hard can it be to put a team together? Not other agents, but high school students, older residents looking for something to do, you know the drill.
Know what one of the most popular things I did back in the day when I farmed? Set up a baby sitter directory. Don’t laugh. I set up a sort of clearing house with a 60-something year old woman in my farm. She knew most of the teenaged girls already, and loved being so useful to her younger neighbors. At her insistence, everybody, including me, called her Aunt Ginnie. Nothing went on in that farm she didn’t know about, or find out one way or another. Man, she was like CNN before cable.
When she passed away, I’d already switched to the investment side. Her family lived somewhere in the midwest, and found one of my old neighborhood ‘Hot Sheets’ with my broker’s number on it. They eventually called me, wanting me to sell her home for them. They agreed with me, my old broker was better suited, listing with him. They told me at her memorial, which was well attended by the folks still in her neighborhood, she bragged all the time about how much I depended upon her for help in my farming efforts. You just never know.
An important lesson I learned from the whole baby sitter thing, was what it led to. That one little neighborhood directory led to almost one of every five listings I took from my farm. I was pretty surprised, while my broker was astounded.
It’s my belief that if someone actually takes up this gauntlet, they’ll succeed wildly.
In fact, if they limit their approach to three contiguous neighborhoods, with roughly 2,000 homes, here’s what I think would happen.
Note: I’m using neighborhoods, not subdivisions. Most neighborhoods are comprised of several subdivisions.
After the first six months or so, you’ll be fairly well known. This will happen quickly because unlike me, who had to actually knock on all the doors every month, your folks will knock on your door almost every day — to see what’s new on their blog. You’ll have to be absolutely obsessive about getting your blogs’ URL’s into their hands. There’s a zillion ways to do that, but it needs to happen at the speed of light — and with mind numbing repetition. Frankly, it’ll be a lot of work, but it’s just not rocket science.
Until you’ve successfully made them aware of the blog, followed by ‘giving it a try’ — you’ll be blogging to yourself.
Once it happens though, and you’ve successfully hooked them, they’ll require an almost daily fix of neighborhood goings on. In other words, they’ll come to you several times weekly. How much is that worth?
So anyway, after no more than six months you’ll be pretty well known — and probably tuckered out. Those first months will no doubt be the hardest, because you’ll be starting from scratch. By then you will have networked your way to having the local churches, schools, some coaches, a couple farm residents, and a few teachers acting as evangelists, spreading the word about the agent doing so much for the neighborhood. They’ll also lighten your load, as they’ll become stringers for their blog.
And how ’bout inviting a homeowner with something of value to contribute, to be an occasional contributor? Or helping small business owners who live in the farm with free space on the blog?
I believe at this point it will become wildly viral.
Not only will listings flow your way, but referrals will also begin to appear — and multiply. In the 26 months I farmed my 400 home neighborhood, I listed about, (Memory’s a little foggy on this one, but I’ll be pretty close.) 25-28 homes. That’s not counting the dozen or so around town I listed from farm referrals. Or the buyers. I don’t know how many buyers were generated, but it was more than a few. Well over half of the sellers stayed in San Diego, buying bigger homes — through me. Back in the ’70’s there weren’t a lot of agents farming as hard as I did. I was young, and didn’t know it would fail, so I did it. Again, who knew?
Let’s put my numbers back then into today’s market. Using 25 farm listings plus the 12 referral listings I took, gives me 37 listings in 24 months. I’ll be pretty conservative, and estimate another 15 sales from farm folks moving after I’d sold their homes. I’ll ignore the half a dozen or so additional sales from referrals to buyers.
This results in 37 listing sides, and 15 buyer sides in two years. Today that would mean (at only $500,000 a home) an income for the two years of — $780,000 — figured at 3% a side.
Imagine if I hadn’t had to farm, relative to today’s available hi-tech tools, like a caveman.
With at least 2,000 homes, it’s my contention a total of (at least?) 100 homes a year would come up for sale. All but a very few would list with an agent. In your first year, even if you screwed it up like Hogan’s goat, you’d still, in my opinion, get at least 20% of those lisitngs — that’s 20 listings. If you worked like a plow horse on Grandpa’s south 40, you might get a lot more.
By the second year you’d dominate. If I would’ve had the tools we have today, I believe 75-80% of the listings would’ve been mine. That’s about 70-80 listings every year with a 2,000 home farm. How much other business do you think you’d do by way of referrals outside the farms?
Plenty, that’s how much.
If the median price of your area is, say, $225,000 — and you were paid a listing side on 70 homes, here’s how it might look.
Since you’re a full service agent, that means you’ll make 3%, or $6,750 a listing. Doing that 70 times comes to $472,500 — not counting all the other business coming your way via referrals, and the sales you’ll be making because many of your sellers will stay in town and buy more expensive homes — from you.
In places like San Diego? Your income would approach the need for two commas.
And once you’ve figured out how to gather all the info your voracious, insatiable blog(s) require, you’ll probably be able to expand to 4,000 homes. I know this is the way I’d go if I was a house agent.
(In fact, I’m envious. If anyone has an idea of how to take this idea to the investment side, in multiple states — I’m all ears.)
Instead of traditional buyers’ agents, I’d hire non-agents and agents to be on my team. It’s not that I wouldn’t have buyer only agents, their job descriptions would include behind the scenes farm work. Remember, it’s a de facto newspaper. And for a newspaper to succeed, people obviously need to subscribe to it. Lots of people. All the people in your farms.
Furthermore, as a newspaper, you’d have to remember — yesterday’s big news is today’s fish wrap.
It will become a good news/bad news joke.
The good news is it’s wildly successful, and you’re now the listing king/queen of those neighborhoods. The bad news is it’s because you’re wildly successful due to the addiction you’ve created to constantly renewing neighborhood info on your blog(s).
Creating addictions in real estate — good. Not feeding that addiction daily — bad.
Don’t despair — Russell Shaw does over 400 sides yearly, on his way to 2,000, and he doesn’t even do listing presentations, much less show property. It’s my guess, if he had chosen this method of marketing, he wouldn’t be doing all the grunt work after it got going either. He’d be the face of blog, the front man, as he is for his current operation. What? You thought he went on 400 listing presentations a year? 🙂 Get real — his job is to do lunch successfully every day, and keep out of his team’s way. 🙂 (I’ve dealt with his team professionally on more than one occasion, and they’re top notch.)
Repeat — Everything hinges on your success in making two things happen — and at the speed of light. I’m sure each agent will come up with cool ideas about how to 1.) Get the blog’s URL into every owner’s computer — and 2.) Get them to develop the habit of using it at least a couple times a week. Once you accomplish that, the rest will be up to you.
Keep the blog loaded with more info than anyone has a right to expect.
Cuz if you do, you’ll own every neighborhood your blog touches — no doubt in my mind.
Heck, I did it without computers over 30 years ago — and I had to work with the tools of a Neanderthal. Why, back then I had to walk uphill in the snow, both ways — on every street. My ‘blog’ back then? It was a one page ‘newspaper’ named after the subdivision. I called it, Jeff Brown’s Holly Hills Hot Sheet. Yes, it was as schlocky as it sounds — and it worked like magic.
Look, I know most folks understand video, podcasts, webinars, and the like a lot better than I do. Imagine how much more effective they’d be on a hyper-local farm blog than they are now on the every day blogs we all read? Of course, that only matters if you’re blogging to do more business. 🙂
Seriously, somebody’s gotta do this. It’s killin’ me. The first one who commits, and I mean do or die commitment, will easily control the neighborhoods they choose.
Does anybody know an agent who is even coming close to doing something this hyper-local and content rich blog/website? I’d love to hear about it.
Brian Brady says:
Well, you finally did it; put this idea down on paper…err…the blog.
The concept will be so wildly successful if you invite a guest author from the school, the church, the businesses, the police, etc. It will also leverage your time and make you meet the community leaders
You’ll own these long tails:
Carmel Creek Elementary school
St William of York Church
Torrey Pines High School
Del Mar Highlands Shopping Center
and, of course, the coveted… Carmel Valley Homes for sale
October 18, 2007 — 10:56 pm
Jeff Brown says:
I wonder how many agents, recognizing the entities you listed, are headed for a sleepless weekend? 🙂
I agree with your leveraging comment. This approach easily lends itself to change and expansion.
I know of a certain operation in San Diego that would absolutely rock using this. In fact, I know about three such operations.
October 18, 2007 — 11:06 pm
Greg Swann says:
> Does anybody know an agent who is even coming close to doing something this hyper-local and content rich blog/website? I’d love to hear about it.
The closest I know of is our own Teri Lussier, who has followed my own advice on this subject much more adeptly than I have.
I would like to include this article in Real Estate Weblogging 101, with your permission.
October 19, 2007 — 12:16 am
Jeff Brown says:
Sure Greg – I’d like that. Thanks
Who ever thought I’d have a post included in that? Surely not me. 🙂
I’m glad we’re almost at the weekend. I’ll be able to check out Teri’s site.
October 19, 2007 — 12:24 am
Spencer Barron says:
Yawn… First off, I absolutely agree with what your saying… except I believe that a blog would be an absolute waste of your time if you actually want to get the eye’s of your farm on your expertise. For their to be enough value for them to come and see, you would have created another whole job for yourself. I would prefer just selling homes.
I don’t think great SEO would be enough to get you the business you say and just telling people about your blog won’t get you the business. I think people are inherently lazy and will take the path of least resistance. If your newsletter is only available online and mine is delivered to your door, you’ll lose. The easier you make it for them the better. It would take quite a while to build a blog to such a success waiting for people to find you or waiting for your local blog to go viral (I don’t think that would even possible).
The only way to get the numbers you mention would be to make sure everyone in your farm knows who you are and knows you are the person who can sell their home. Skip the scores and focus on creating your brand. Even if you know the score of last night’s football game and the outcome of the PTA vote for a new president, you might not be the goto guy for listing their home.
An agent might as well go knock on doors and get a little face time with someone.
ohh..and I only yawned because it’s late…I’m tired…great post….and when is Greg going to add spell check to this thing.
October 19, 2007 — 12:26 am
Jeff Brown says:
Spenser – It is kinda late, isn’t it?
The blog/website would of course include optimal opportunity to display my expertise. I thought it didn’t need mentioning. My bad.
SEO? Are you serious? I said plainly several times, that the main task up front would be to get the URL into the homeowners’ hands, and into use. I couldn’t care less about visitors from outside the farm.
Calling it a blog was a judgment call on my part. It’s actually, as mentioned, more of a neighborhood website/blog/newspaper hybrid of sorts. What it’s called won’t, in my opinion alter its effectiveness.
You said, “Skip the scores and focus on creating your brand.”
Of course, that’s a bunch of words that mean a whole bunch of nothing. Create my brand? What the heck do you think a site with as much info and depth as this one would do? Know what creates a brand? Getting results. The rest is good for getting your balloon in Del Mar to go higher than the other guy’s.
This site would create a brand that would dwarf anyone trying to compete. Nobody would do the work needed, and as long as I had time to get going, they couldn’t catch up.
Just telling the people about my ‘blog’ won’t get me the business? No #%$& Sherlock. 🙂
Just like anything else in our biz, the URL must be seen by them a zillion times, and by way of ‘old world’ delivery – just as you suggested. I’d figure at least a dozen ways to get it into their hands and their minds. They wouldn’t be able to swing a dead cat without seeing my site’s URL.
Your newsletter – a measly few pages of what? Some comps, a puff piece on what a superstar you are? A couple recipes that’ll make ’em sure to list with you? And it’s actually being delivered at their own personal front door? Wow! What will they think of next – delivering pizza right to my front door? 🙂
What do you think I’d do, paper the subdivisions from a helicopter? I’d do the same thing you are, but my product, when they went there, would be so far superior, your newsletter would look like 1959 VW next to my very cool, brand new Ferrari.
And mine would be viral pretty quickly. When was the last time you heard one of our neighbors talking about that ‘great real estate newsletter – oh my god, I gotta call that guy’?
If you can deliver your paper newsletter, so can I. Furthermore, I can do it 11 other ways, because all I want them to do is go on my site. Once they get there, it more likely than not they’ll actually spend some time – and they won’t forget it either, like a paper newsletter.
Oh, and while we’re at it, is your paper newsletter interactive? Right, didn’t think so. Know what is? A blog. 🙂
While we’re at it, when I knocked doors, leaving MY silly newsletter, 75% of the time I left it with a live person. You don’t come close to that figure. In fact, it’s my contention most neighborhoods worth farming wouldn’t find more than 20% of the homes with at least one owner home when you showed up. The exception of course, is the weekend, when they’re really gonna be glad you interrupted their day.
Why would anyone ‘wait’, as you suggested, for folks to come to a neighborhood website? Within 30 days I’d have a decent sized segment coming to the site. The key is the quality and the staggering depth of the content on the site when they show up.
I’ve only been blogging less than 1½ years. I don’t HAVE neighborhoods to invade with my URL. I had to start from scratch, and yet they still came. They come in bigger numbers as time passes. My content is what brings them. And yet, that content isn’t a tenth of what I’m talking about here.
It also generates income over and above my income from other sources, of an additional six figures. This quarter alone it will generate that much.
Spenser, if you combine what you’ve been doing with my approach, your income will go off the chart. Keep doing what your doing now?
Why would you? It’s about the same thing I was doing over 30 years, five presidents, and $2 a gallon ago.
I’ll put my Ferrari up against your VW any time. 🙂
Yawn – I’m done. It’s way too late.
October 19, 2007 — 1:14 am
Robert Kerr says:
Very interesting idea, Jeff.
Can you identify a hyper-local site or two that have come close to what you consider the proper amount of content and commitment?
October 19, 2007 — 2:01 am
Vicki Moore says:
That idea is brilliant. Wow. Thanks for sharing it.
October 19, 2007 — 4:25 am
Brian Brady says:
I disagree with Mr. Barron’s assessment that it won’t juice your SEO for the proper keyword search terms.
Roll out a neighborhood blog with 2-3 posts a day (using the leverage of the multiple authors), tag all of your posts with “Carmel Valley Homes For Sale” or “Carmel Valley MLS” and you’ll be towards the top of the organic engine in 4-6 months.
While SEO is not the primary motivation to create this local blog, it certainly is a worth tangential benefit
October 19, 2007 — 6:24 am
Benn says:
Kris Berg is the only agent I know that has a hyper-community blog- http://www.scrippsranchhomeblog.com/
I’ve been watching since it launched and taking notes and believe we’ll launch one like it in a neighborhood you’ve become familiar with here in Austin.
October 19, 2007 — 6:33 am
Bob says:
Agents try this all the time. As Spencer says, it creates an entire new job. You don’t hear much about it because it usually fails – it is just too labor intensive and time consuming.
October 19, 2007 — 7:22 am
Kris Berg says:
Oh boy, here we go. Jeff was chastising us at lunch last month for not running with this like our hair was on fire. When Greg initially shared his now-infamous “insanely great idea”, I set up the Scripps Ranch Blog in that spirit but mostly ignored it. I am still not sure what it is going to be when it grows up, or if it will even survive, but I will tell you this. What you are suggesting, Jeff, is brilliant on paper but may be impractical in execution for someone who has a little real estate business going on the side, as we do. The effort to feed it, even a little bit, is enormous. We have tried to inspire the high schoolers you spoke of to participate, but you know kids. We have promoted it in print locally to no avail.
The problem I see is that it needs to be perceived as non-commercial, and yet by definition has to be somewhat commercial to achieve the goal. We have toyed with the idea of getting local businesses to sponser the site with all proceeds going to local organizations. I still think this may ultimately be the ticket. That way, yes, people would know that it is sponsored and run by a commercial venture (me), but the charitable “giving back” nature might result in some forgiveness and, ultimately, support. Of course, to get sponsorships, you need to show traffic, which brings us back to the challenge of populating the site and attracting lots of eyeballs.
Content is the big hurdle. Homeowners associations, civic groups and schools are wary of participating in anything that smacks of for-profit, so I don’t see a day EVER where the school principal or the president of the community planning group is logging on to post. Since running a true dot org site would be counter to the goal, that leaves us with the task of attracting the Mrs. Kravitz’s in each neighborhood.
Unfortunately, every-which-way I look at it, the success of your hyperlocal, non-real estate blog is going to require paying for content during the start-up months. Then, I am left to consider the ol’ cost-benefit equation. Do you pay $10, $20 per post? Doing the math, is a $500 per month or more outlay going to be money well spent, or would that investment be better directed toward something else?
Benn, thanks for the link. I am pretty certain that one of the “doing it all wrong” examples in Jeff’s post was ours. 🙂 I’ll welcome any great ideas you might have, since I am not quite resigned to throwing in the towel – yet.
October 19, 2007 — 7:45 am
Spencer Barron says:
Jeff, I like Ferrari’s but this is not a Ferrari. It’s your typical Ford Wagon with some upgraded floor matts and that pearlescent paint that changes colors as you walk by. My VW is pretty reliable.
My point is my marketing is focused on establishing the value I bring in the mind of the buyer/seller in a consistent manner, that what branding is. I think your idea is great but not efficient. They’ll read yours and then use me because my message, the benefits I bring are clear. That’s why I said you need a better hook.
This is just an upgrade from the old ideas that sending people sports schedules and putting flags in the yards will help influence them when it comes time to buy or sell a home.
Your approach is valuable not because you have slightly better content but because your in front of people on a regular basis. The content alone isn’t sufficient. So you’ve created a hyper-local blog and everyone goes to it. You will get more business and you should, it was a massive amount of effort you just put forth.
The top agents I’ve observed have found ways to avoid wasted effort. I shouldn’t say wasted because you would see results eventually. What I’m saying is your model lacks the efficiency it should have. Think of it like this, we’ve all seen funny commercials that we enjoy but at the end of the commercials your not even sure what was being sold. More effective advertising sells what the benefit to the client will be and who it is that brings that benefit. I don’t think you need to do what you describe to get incredible results.
Where I’m at the local news has the local angle down albiet it’s not a blog. I’d expect other stations will be doing the same at that point. When that happens, I sure would hope my farm would remember that I sell homes and exactly what I brought to the table besides the fact that I was an avid fan of the local high school chess club.
So I’ll summarize: I agree with you but feel they’re more efficient ways to reach the same result.
Brian – Never said this wouldn’t help your SEO, just that it’s not going to be enough to get you business equivalent to the efforts your putting out.
October 19, 2007 — 7:58 am
Arlington Virginia Condos — Jay says:
Spencer you’re wrong. This is an excellent route to taking over the listings in most neighborhoods. I had this vision a year and half ago and have been frustrated ever since at my lack of time to launch anything close to it. It could also be keyworded & SEOed into ranking very high for that city’s main keywords (city state “real estate”) simultaneously opening up innumerable doors for transactions on the buyer side that could be handed off to a buyer agent(s) on the team.
I learned a lot from building my website the past 2 years to receive 2500 unique visitors a week and I know this idea is legit all the way….But as the bawldguy stated it is labor intensive up front. Probably it will be done by a REALTOR (how do I get that “r” thingy on the end of REALTOR) without much business who is desperate enough to go for it–just like I was when I created my website 🙂
October 19, 2007 — 9:36 am
Ken Smith says:
Great post. It gives me a kick in the butt to get my local blog started. Been in the “planning” phase for almost a year now.
October 19, 2007 — 9:47 am
Jonathan Dalton says:
Like Kris, I tried a blog for Westbrook Village. It’s been on life support for a while. Is it viable? Possibly.
Here’s the perspective of someone who used to be work as a community reporter for a real ink-and-paper newspaper. It will be beyond labor-intensive. The Sun City paper had a full staff to cover everything going on. One person can’t be everywhere all the time. Hiring teenagers and others in the community may work though if the writing sucks it’s not going to get very far.
SEO will be great but for it to be a viable, vibrant blog that doesn’t kill the author you need buy-in and content from the community and a lot quicker than six months.
October 19, 2007 — 10:51 am
Marc Grayson says:
Brian,
If I understand your closing question, an example of a good, hyperlocal blog that has the “community” participating w/ the broker is: http://www.carlsbadencinitasblog.com/
(covering the Carlsbad / Encinas area in your neck of the woods)
The whole thing was established by this broker, but allows the community to submit info, (local library, united way, real estate).
— http://unitedway.carlsbadencinitasblog.com
— http://carlsbadlibrary.carlsbadencinitasblog.com/
— http://realestate.carlsbadencinitasblog.com/
The community can participate. However, on every page is a link to this brokers listings and real estate presence (in a non overbearing way).
As previously commented, this would take effort to get contributers, but SEO could be a killer.
October 19, 2007 — 10:58 am
Teri Lussier says:
Jeff, I think you’d be happy to know that I recently posted a youtube video of the high school band…Something I’ve not seen on any other RE blogs… 😉
I agree with what you are saying, and what you have mapped out is exactly what I had intended with The Brick Ranch. Why isn’t TBR there yet? Little door knocking on my part. I do believe that’s the reason, pure and simple.
One of my goals in starting a blog for this community was to see if blogging could work anywhere. I have no doubt that blogging works, but does it work in working class, non-tech savvy neighborhoods? If the property lacks a bit of glamour, (or a lot) does that affect the outcome for a hyper-local blog?
Another thing I was curious about was how to write for any community and make it worth reading…Or more to the point, whether I personally could do that… OTOH, I do have to say that I balk at the thought of creating a “newsletter” for a neighborhood. It’s not in me to produce something like that, not for TBR.
Then again, I’ve been playing with another blog- an uber hyper-local blog for one condo development in a very small historic/ entertainment district, just 12 tiny city blocks- I’ll have to find the sq. miles, you could walk the perimeter in… minutes. The blog is very much in it’s infancy, http://www.excelsiorlofts.wordpress.com if you are curious. And it’s ripe for the newsletter approach.
October 19, 2007 — 11:50 am
Phil Hoover says:
Jeff –
I’m already doing it!
Check out http://www.OurBrookwood.com
Achieved top search engine rankings in less than 24 hours due to lack of competition.
It helps that our HOA copycatted my domain name with their own site http://www.OurBrookwood.org 🙂
Guess where everyone goes first?
October 19, 2007 — 11:56 am
Kris Berg says:
Phil,
Not to be a party-pooper, but didn’t you tell me the other night that you aren’t exactly “owning” the neighborhood as a result?
Regarding the blog you reference, Marc, it doesn’t look like the same thing to me at all. No comments, which means no participation – Just a message board. It is a Blogging Systems offering, no? This may work well for SEO, but I don’t think it achieves Jeff’s goal of being the main topic at the neighborhood Bunko games. It certainly lacks the warm and fuzzy, the personal connection, and I think that is a big mistake.
October 19, 2007 — 12:16 pm
Scoot says:
I’m trying to do something similar. I even put up a video of the zoning meetings we’ve been having here. But I’m with kris a little b/c I can’t write every day and can’t make all the local activities. Maybe one day when I can pay someone for their help. I do think your onto something that works though. I have met some pretty incredible people and listed some things that I only got through my blog. I even had a couple who said they were looking for someone who had an internet presence, in my office for that very reason. My blog isn’t that big of a deal but it is doing some good, and it is local focused.
Good post!
October 19, 2007 — 6:39 pm
Chris says:
What about creating a hyper local internet forum? I’m a member of some very active forums based around cars that have turned into vibrant communities.
Possible to create one for a certain area? Think people would be interested enough to post? This way your audiance can add content.
October 20, 2007 — 10:34 am
Jeff Brown says:
Robert – I can identify no current site coming close to this in execution. I don’t contend there isn’t one, I just can’t find it.
October 20, 2007 — 1:03 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Vicki – you make me blush – thanks.
October 20, 2007 — 1:05 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Brian – The whole SEO thing is, in my view, almost irrelevant. If the site’s agent is successful in getting a huge majority of owners to come to his site, that’s all the ‘SEO’ he needs.
Of course, that’s not to say I don’t want outsiders to come in, hopefully looking to buy into the neighborhood. As you say, that would be a cool bonus benefit.
October 20, 2007 — 1:09 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Bob – You say…
>You don’t hear much about it because it usually fails – it is just too labor intensive and time consuming.
Couldn’t agree with you more, except that it’s ‘too’ labor intensive. Our industry is, sad to say, populated with ne’er do wells and plain lazy folks, who entered real estate thinking it was a quick and easy path to a good living. Why do you think the turnover rate is so high, even in good times?
All ventures promising the potential of great results require ‘intense’ labor. Those who don’t wish to pay the price needn’t apply.
My dad was told, five years into his 10 year plan, that his new business model just wouldn’t work in real estate. He didn’t have the heart to tell the guy that he’d already SURPASSED all of his plan’s 10 year goals. He dominated San Diego back in the mid-late ’60’s due entirely to his new model.
And it was the result of intense upfront labor. Imagine that. 🙂
If you take his company’s earnings, boil them down to his personal pre-tax income, and put them into today’s dollars, it’s staggering. He’d be making over just under $10Mil – A YEAR after operating expenses and before taxes.
If that guy had told my dad that in my presence? I’d of laughed in his face, and told him the truth. Dad paid more taxes in the first quarter of every year than that guy grossed in three years.
Thanks for the rant time. 🙂
October 20, 2007 — 1:21 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Hey Benn – I’ve been to the Berg’s site, and will comment on it through my reply to Kris herself.
October 20, 2007 — 1:23 pm
Phil Hoover says:
Kris –
I said I was “doing it”; not that it’s working 🙁
I put it up about four months ago, haven’t adequately promoted it with mailings, etc., but have over 100 subscribers.
No way of knowing who they are, but that contrasts with 370 homes in my subdivision (where I live).
I honestly think people are:
1) Bombarded daily by a huge variety of Realtors.
2) Everyone knows an agent now that everyone and their cat is a Realtor.
3) Most people aren’t thinking of selling.
4) Think all Realtors are commodities to be hired at the lowest-possible cost.
The hard work was in designing and building the site to be a combination website/blog (I call all three of my sites “blogsites” because they have MLS search, photo galleries, etc.)
Those interested can see what I am doing at:
http://www.BoiseBlog.com
http://www.EagleBlog.com
http://www.OurBrookwood.com
The Boise site is aimed at our region, the Eagle site is community-specific, and the Brookwood site is subdivision-specific.
http://www.BoiseBlog.com has achieved the best results so far, but http://www.EagleBlog.com actually gets more unique visitors.
All three have achieved my goals for search engine placement.
October 20, 2007 — 1:56 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Kris – Before replying there are two things to be addressed first. A) We haven’t had lunch – mostly my fault, as our trip to Texas wasn’t scheduled that far in advance. B) Actually, your local site for Scripps Ranch is what I’m talking about – but worlds away from being ‘hyper-local.’
>The problem I see is that it needs to be perceived as non-commercial, and yet by definition has to be somewhat commercial to achieve the goal.
On this point we’re diametrically opposed. What homeowner expects an agent’s site to be non-commercial? I think it’s an incredibly false premise on its face.
It’s BECAUSE they know it’s a commercial site they become so impressed with the selfless portion of the hyper-local content. They’re wowed by the agent’s commitment to excellence, not to mention their neighborhood.
Combine that with the Berg’s easily demonstrated excellence, and voila! You dominate.
HOA’s? Who needs them? As far as I’m concerned they’re nothing but pains in the ass of the universe. 🙂
I’m sure you can tell me how they can help, and I’d be glad to take any help, but I don’t need ’em. I need the owners to go to my site. Over time, if you must have the HOA’s involvement, they’ll see how positively you’re viewed by the owners, and change their tune.
>Unfortunately, every-which-way I look at it, the success of your hyperlocal, non-real estate blog is going to require paying for content during the start-up months.
Let’s discard, for the moment, what we ultimately decide to call this site, as its name is irrelevant.
Properties in your area of San Diego yield about $15-30,000 commission per side. I chose a six month build-up period to get the content up to at least minimum speed. In a year it’s easily plausible to have the deep and rich content of which I speak.
When I was in Little League as a dad, I acted as a stringer for the local small paper, The Californian, which you may know of. They published all the highlights of the leagues in their paper’s reach.
They paid zip for it. The writers? Even if it turns out you have to pay some of them, even on a regular basis, here’s how it might impact the site’s operation.
If it costs you $20,000/yr. for outside ‘contributors’, you’ve essentially paid for that with one listing commission. If you have a couple thousand properties looking at your local site (which I suspect is already true), 🙂 it’s my contention your volume would grow faster and more quickly than if any other lead generating methodology was used.
How much is 70 listing sides worth in Scripps Ranch?
A site with the content laid out in the post, combined with the excellence, expertise, and experience you and Steve bring to the table – would result in the Bergs dominating Scripps Ranch. I believe that down to my DNA. 🙂
October 20, 2007 — 4:49 pm
Jeff Brown says:
>…I like Ferrari’s but this is not a Ferrari. It’s your typical Ford Wagon with some upgraded floor matts and that pearlescent paint that changes colors as you walk by. My VW is pretty reliable.
My point is my marketing is focused on establishing the value I bring in the mind of the buyer/seller in a consistent manner, that what branding is. I think your idea is great but not efficient.
It IS a Ferrari Spencer, and I’d blow you off the track. Your VW is reliably slow, and make no mistake, this would be a race.
Establishing the value to your buyer/seller? What do you think the site’s core purpose is for Heaven’s sake? It’s not any more ‘inefficient’ than what Russell Shaw does.
If your method is resulting in listing 65-80% of the available listings in your farm, than I wouldn’t win. Otherwise, I’d clean your clock.
>This is just an upgrade from the old ideas that sending people sports schedules and putting flags in the yards will help influence them when it comes time to buy or sell a home.
Right – And a Ferrari is just an ‘upgrade’ from my old ’62 Schwinn 3-speed. Give me a break.
While you’re busy knocking on doors and leaving flyers everywhere, they’re inside, on their computers and reading my site. They’re getting info and content with which you can’t possibly compete. I win by default, over time – and not much time at that.
>Your approach is valuable not because you have slightly better content but because your in front of people on a regular basis.
Slightly better content? In sports terms, your content couldn’t carry my site’s jock. 🙂
You gloss over the overall unbeatable advantage the site would have over anything you’re doing now: I’m in front of the owners on a regular basis – not just regular Spencer, probably more than once a week easily. And THEY’RE coming to ME. Wasting time? Inefficient? Who is the guy knocking on the doors when 75% or more of them aren’t home? Who is doing $10-12/hr work for inferior results?
>So I’ll summarize: I agree with you but feel they’re more efficient ways to reach the same result.
I’ll repeat: Are you getting 65-80% of the listings in your farm? I didn’t think so.
I sense you’re probably pretty effective/successful doing what you’re doing now. The same thing I said to the Berg’s applies to you. In NASCAR terms, you’re Jeff Gordon – but you’re driving a car that’s governed. Why do that to yourself?
It’s experienced, high quality agents like yourself who will benefit most from this approach.
Ironically, I remember being told my blogging would lead me nowhere, and was a colossal waste of my time.
October 20, 2007 — 5:21 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Jay – First, it’s nice to hear from a supporter!
By dealing in condos, you have somewhat of an advantage in required labor for obvious physical reasons.
>I had this vision a year and half ago and have been frustrated ever since at my lack of time to launch anything close to it.
I’ve lived in my city for quite awhile, as I’m sure you have. You know ‘where the bodies are buried’. For instance, youth sports, churches, schools, etc. You’re not some Johnny-come-lately who has to reinvent the wheel here – you’re a local guy who has a history there, and actually understands which way is ‘north on the map’.
That said, organizing people connected to these groups should be significantly less difficult than you might imagine. Folks with kids, and those over 50 will be your best helpers, as they either are parents of the kids in your farm, or, like Aunt Ginnie, they’re more than happy to contribute to your added value site.
As happened in my farm pre-historic days, they actually told me what would be best for me to write or do for the farm. It worked like crazy. Over half the ideas I used, most of which weren’t included in the post itself, were homeowner ideas, not mine.
I’d love to talk to you about this on the phone. I suspect you’re sittin’ on a gold mine.
October 20, 2007 — 5:56 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Thanks Ken, I appreciate that. Go for it big time.
October 20, 2007 — 6:00 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Jonathan – I was hoping you’d chime in on this, because of your journalistic experience.
>It will be beyond labor-intensive. The Sun City paper had a full staff to cover everything going on. One person can’t be everywhere all the time.
Though we agree on the upfront labor part, we disagree widely on what it’ll take ‘to cover everything going on.’
We’re only talking about covering a neighborhood, not a city. Very finite in scope, relative to a newspaper. You especially would do well with this, as your experience would make you the best ‘editor’ around. The writing doesn’t have to be of the Pulitzer class. 🙂 It just has to be acceptable, with folks knowing that any particular blurb is coming from a student.
You also know exactly what I’m talking about when it comes to ‘stringers’ and the like. You’d have your team organized before most farmers had finished their to-do list. 🙂
Ultimately it’s my contention you’d be increasing your volume so much, the rest would take care of itself. I refer again to Russell Shaw. He’s so dang successful listing homes he had to hire a guy who does only that.
The only limit to this approach, in my opinion, is the will of the agent involved – and their faith in the approach itself. The organization of the effort in general will take the original 3-6 months, which with you would no doubt be accomplished much more quickly.
You would kick butt on this big time, if you committed a year to it. No doubt whatsoever in my mind.
October 20, 2007 — 6:14 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Marc – Thanks for the links. This site isn’t at all what I’m talking about. They’re attempting to cover an area which is not only bigger than a neighborhood, but by orders of magnitude bigger. They cover two entire cities!
That’s not hyper local, that’s the opposite.
In the end though, it’s the results that matter. How’s it performing as a closed escrow generator?
October 20, 2007 — 6:20 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Teri – Thanks so much for bringing your area into this.
>what you have mapped out is exactly what I had intended with The Brick Ranch. Why isn’t TBR there yet? Little door knocking on my part. I do believe that’s the reason, pure and simple.
You’re 100% correct – pure and simple. 🙂
If they don’t have the URL, they can’t drink the kool-aid. 🙂
Also, your point about working class, non-high tech savvy is well taken. If they either don’t use their computers much, or worse yet, don’t have computers in the home, yer pretty much out of luck. I”d pass on that area for a farm.
I’d go to the neighborhood you personally judge as a hyper-local blog slam dunk. There should be no doubt in your mind about the viability of the neighborhood.
The downtown stuff sounds promising, especially the way you talk about it.
Bite the bullet, and give it a shot. You CAN make it happen as long as you get the URL into their hands and have the content to show them when they first come.
October 20, 2007 — 6:36 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Phil – I remember when you first told me about your neighborhood site.
Frankly, because you’re treating it the same way you’re treating your main blog, I don’t think your results will be what you hoped for. They can read the normal blog and get pretty much the same info, with the occasional exception.
You know that area like the back of your hand. How long would it take for you to leverage all that knowledge, and all those neighborhood contacts?
You could transform that site in no time into a real live everything-there-is-to-know about Brookwood site.
With your experience and expertise you’d own it without measurable competition.
October 20, 2007 — 6:43 pm
Brian Brady says:
Got it, Spence. The old tradeoff/payoff is a bitch, ain’t it?
Thanks for the link, Marc. Alan Shafran will probably hit the ball out of the park with this communit(ies) blog.
October 20, 2007 — 7:01 pm
Ken Smith says:
Jeff is you have a city that doesn’t really have defined neighborhoods how would you break it up? The area I live in doesn’t have a “subdivision name”, it really isn’t defined by anything other then a set of major streets that border it. This is a down side to an older established area, some homes date back to the 1920’s with a few even in the late 1800’s.
My thought is to start with just this area as I have lived in it for 28 years, been through the entire school system, know many residents and others of influence, and love where I live. Without a name what do I call the blog? How do I get the locals to understand that it’s all about them and not some general website when there isn’t the predefined name for the area I want to cover?
In the end already having a team of 6 and the contacts I already have I figure this is something I can actually cover the entire city (70k residents) for, but realize there is no way to start off at that level. So I guess I am looking for a little direction as to how to get started and move out of the planning phase. And again my biggest issue is the lack of any subdivision name or any other recognized way of naming the area I want to cover and getting the public to understand what we are trying to do.
October 20, 2007 — 7:03 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Chris – My general opinion of forums is that they’re populated by the blind leading the blind. I don’t know if that’d be the case for the kind of forum you suggest.
I’d stick with the site in the post.
Also, a hyper-local ‘community forum’ would possibly open the gates to all sorts of hidden agendas you want no part of. I look at forums much the way the great old Ohio State football coach, Woody Hayes used to look at the forward pass. He’d say, “There are three things that can happen when you pass, and two of ’em are bad. That’s why we’ll stick with the run.” 🙂
Frankly Chris, I’d be scared to death allowing residents to post at will, outside of my control.
October 20, 2007 — 7:14 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Scoot – Sounds like you’re gettin’ it done. Thanks for the kind words, and good luck.
October 20, 2007 — 7:17 pm
Chris says:
Good point Jeff. I know one forum where people people are good and we have a nice community going.
I’ll provide it as an example:
http://www.mercedesshop.com.
However most are full of nuts, and its scary to say the least.
I like the blog idea, over winter break I’m finaly going to get around to building my website. I’ll creat a blog and use it in my advertising.
October 20, 2007 — 8:10 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Let us know how it comes out, Chris.
October 20, 2007 — 8:16 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Hey Ken – Check your email when you get a chance and call me when you can. I’d like to chat.
October 20, 2007 — 8:17 pm
Scoot says:
Hey Jeff, I’d say you’re going viral. Good job.
October 20, 2007 — 9:16 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Scoot – You just never know. 🙂 Thanks
October 20, 2007 — 9:36 pm
Phil Hoover says:
Jeff ~
Sorry I missed you while in San Diego this week; I thought you were in Texas?
I have no way of knowing, but I don’t think the same people read all three of my blogs.
For one thing, my distinct blogs aren’t found with the same search phrases on the search engines.
I suspect the Brookwood viewers are people who live in the sub, or people who are interested in it for a variety of reasons, including potential future purchasers.
I am quite certain that my http://www.BoiseBlog.com readers are a whole different set of people, based upon the comments and feedback that I get.
http://www.OurBrookwood.com is intentionally a micro-blog and subdivision specific vs. http://www.BoiseBlog.com being regional in concept vs. http://www.EagleBlog.com being community-specific.
They are each aimed at different market segments.
Despite all three sites looking similar, and sharing some content, they are actually different if you drill into them.
I need to do a better job of promoting http://www.OurBrookwood.com, and will do so in the coming months.
Other agents are snaring listings in the sub, but they aren’t selling them.
Which again reminds me that it is sometimes best to be the 2nd or 3rd listing agent.
October 20, 2007 — 10:26 pm
Spencer Barron says:
Jeff your Ferrari is a gas hog. 🙂
Since you will be continuously marketing them to go to your blog, why don’t you just tell them why they should use you. You could try to appeal directly to the people your trying to reach, home sellers. Why all the coy games?
I mean, it seems like your already segmenting out your farm by attempting to determine what they’re interested in when the only thing you really need to know is that the people you want to meet want to sell a home (or buy).
You’re making a few assumptions here when it comes to your conversion rates. You are assuming your geographic farm is an internet savvy group of homeowners that are not getting their needs met when it comes to knowing what’s going on. You’re assuming that once you say that they can get this information that they’ll go to it. You’re assuming that your entire farm of 2000 is interested in recent PTA activity or high school sports or whatever, personally I don’t think more than 20% of your farm will even care on anything more than a yearly basis. If they do care, they probably already know what your trying to tell them since little Johnny came home with a note from school. You’re also assuming that people would embrace a commercial entity as the purveyor of their hyper-local information needs when most successful forums of this sort tend to be non-commercial ventures. Short of an agent moving to the neighborhood, having a couple of kids, joining the PTA, then finding religion in the neighborhood, it seems like a stretch to be accepted.
And the biggest assumption,
You’re assuming that you’ll become the 1st or 2nd choice in your farm within a year simply because you’re the neighborhood enthusiast that happens to also be a real estate agent when most people will pick their agent for other reasons. Reasons like who will sell my home for the most, or who can sell it the fastest. Some pick because of the marketing package and exposure their home gets and others pick the agent that is the cheapest. Worse yet, you might never get to be the top choice simply because the farm is busy using the teacher’s husband that happens to be an agent. See, they met them from going to those PTA meetings.
I wouldn’t get caught up doing calculations of how much I’m going to make at this point seeing that there are still quite a few leaps of logic that need to be bridged. I would love to see a realistic marketing budget for this…then we can talk more about conversion rates.
Again, my VW just passed you.
October 21, 2007 — 2:59 am