In the days of yore (one yore = 5 years on the metric conversion chart), open houses were much different. I almost enjoyed my Sunday afternoons. They were spent with people sincerely looking for a home, a home that fit their personal needs on both a functional and emotional level. The event went something like this: Agent makes home available for showing as a courtesy to the seller who wants to sell and the buyer who wants to buy, potential buyer tours home and makes assessment as to whether the home fits his needs, interested buyer asks questions to learn about features of said home and neighborhood, interested buyer compares recent sales to establish fair price and, having made his decision to purchase, enters meaningful negotiations.
These days, our open house experiences are very different. As an agent, I am a soldier being called to active duty. I am the enemy, and donning pith helmet, medieval shield and evil death ray deflector, I enter battle.
Steve and I both got the open house nod this weekend, and it was so painful as to be funny in hindsight. We enjoyed the usual Happy Hour debriefing, and our experiences were woefully the same.
“How long has it been on the market?” “Why are they moving?” That’s it. That is all anyone wanted to know, and these questions were generally flying as one run-on sentence before they had passed the threshold. Steve suggested that it was time for a little open house strategic planning, a preemptive strike if you will. Post it on the front door, or better yet, adopt Greg’s policy of using those nifty custom yard signs and display the vital statistics there. Even better, include the information in the open house ads we tirelessly run each weekend. No need to have anyone to driving across town when I can save them the trouble.
Keep in mind that we aren’t talking about the hobbyists, or the neighbors, or even the world-weary, sincerely-seeking-a-home contingents. We still get a smattering of these at our open houses. Steve related to me the story of a couple in the latter classification who stopped just short of drawing pistols in the living room while arguing about whether or not this home had more windows than the previous home they had viewed this day. “I like the other house; it has more windows”, said the husband. “Does not”, said the wife. “Does too”, “does not”… The reality (Steve pointed this out to me, but not to them) was that this was the same home, same model, same builder – SAME NUMBER OF WINDOWS! Forget the wood floors, the location, the lot size, the floor plan, or the school district – We want that 35th window back, now! They had been at it for eight months and emotions were running high.
What we are talking about here are those falling into the other categories: Career house-hunters, smoking deal seekers, frustrated do-it-yourselfers (“I don’t need no stinkin’ agent), and good people posturing as do-it-yourselfers who will never (in my career lifetime) do anything at all because they suffer from the paralysis of empowerment and (dis)information overload.
“42”
In the days of yesteryear (two yesteryears = 1.8 meters), “How long has it been on the market?” was not generally a loaded question. They were seeing the home for the first time and were genuinely curious, or they feared that it might be too late. Now, translated, this means, “Is the seller ready to accept $7.50, all cash, and my ’87 Buick?” If a home hasn’t properly “seasoned”, comps be damned, it is over-priced in the minds of these buyers, even if it is not. The Open House event, in fact seems to be taking on a garage sale atmosphere. “You want $300,000? I’ll give you fifty bucks, or I’m prepared to walk away”.
“We don’t know!”
“Why are they moving?” In a bygone era (bygone era = today minus 892 open houses), this question was usually a symbol of interested buyer due diligence. Does the neighbor host standing Saturday satanic rituals in their driveway? Has the poltergeist residing in the crawl space become an intolerable irritant? Admittedly, these would be important factors in the decision-making process. Now (now = now), the savvy buyer is looking for an opening to steal this home. The right answer to this question, if I am looking to generate an offer today ($7.50 and an ’87 Buick, with an $5,000 credit to buyer for closing costs) would be something along the lines of “The seller’s replacement kidney has just been delivered on dry ice to the Mayo Clinic and, if they haven’t closed escrow by Friday at noon, it will be returned to the donor”. And, by the way, any agent that answers the “Why are they moving?” question without the permission of their client (except in the case of the satanic rituals next door, which could in fact affect the decision to buy or not buy), is violating their fiduciary obligation. Read the Agency Disclosure.
We all want a “deal”, and there are certainly plenty of opportunities in today’s market to purchase a home at a lower price than a year or two ago. What I see, though, is judgement being clouded and decisions being driven by factors which are not entirely relevant. A home is an investment, for sure, but if you are looking to purchase a primary residence, days on market and the seller’s personal circumstances should take a back seat in the decision-making process to things like, say, the suitability of the home for your long-term needs. Price negotiation can follow. Commodities do not qualitatively differ from one another, with one barrel of crude oil being as good as the next. Homes, however, are each unique; no two are the same. Their value is established by the value to a particular buyer, and no two buyers are the same. If only someone out there seemed to appreciate the difference.
BR says:
Kris- the ones I ultimately enjoy the most are the completely silent shoppers that say nothing- not even hello or goodbye even though I’ve smiled and said hello and wished them a good day.
August 14, 2007 — 6:03 pm
Kris Berg says:
Benn – Yes, a lot of those, and that’s okay. Open House etiquette is different than the mainstream social niceties we are taught. I happen to have a different approach than the “formally trained” agents. I shun the sign-in register, I do not head butt them at the door asking if “they are working with an agent”, and I don’t stalk them pointing out all of the fabulous features of the home I am hosting. I have information, lots of it, but only if they want it. I leave it up to the visitors to initiate the conversation. Today, our visitors have been to twelve other homes before arriving at ours. They are the “just looking” patrons at the department store, yet they really are looking for something, and I understand and respect that. They are generally distrusting, defensive, and very, very private, in large part because their last three stops have involved someone trying to throw them to the ground and put a pen in their hand. So, I kick back out of respect. A little respect in return would be nice, and I don’t particularly enjoy or understand the argumentative component, but it is what it is. Oh, the Glamour of Real Estate!
August 14, 2007 — 6:21 pm
Chris says:
I have come to one conclusion…both buyers and sellers are crazy.
I took my buyers to see a wonderfull house last night. Its new to the market, priced perfectly, and fits there needs perfectly. They asked me what they should offer. I said well its priced at $349,000, and the comps support $330k-$350k. Since its in really good shape I would offer $335k-$340k, and expect to settle a bit above that. I was dumbfounded by there next comment. “But its only been on the market for a week, we were thinking $300.” Crazy, they are all crazy.
August 14, 2007 — 6:54 pm
Kris Berg says:
Chris – I rest my case. I was actually speaking with an agent today who said in all sincerity that he is considering deliberately over-pricing listings. This way, when the buyers come in with offers ridiculously below the list price, they will in effect be offering a fair price. As crazy as it sounds, he is right in a sense. If the seller says “tomato”, the buyer says “tomawto”. This market is just, plain nuts.
August 14, 2007 — 7:21 pm
BR says:
Kris, that is pretty much my style- I never liked being followed around dillards much, I learned that a young age.
Chris, exactly what I said on rg this morning- buyers are wanting even more from sellers- they give more, and they still want the buick in the garage to convey.
August 14, 2007 — 7:23 pm
Ron says:
Isn’t this just a case of buyers feeling like it’s “their turn” after years of sellers pushing them around? I am sure many of these buyers whom you mock are still remembering quite clearly how, only a couple of years ago, they’d have to present sellers with a letter describing how they should be allowed to buy the house. At $100k over asking.
Now buyers probably feel that times have changed and turnabout is fair play. Since you probably took part in the sellers’ market, I guess you’re going to have to swallow a bit of this in the buyers’ market.
August 14, 2007 — 8:07 pm
Dave Barnes says:
As a consumer, I read “But its only been on the market for a week, we were thinking $300.” and think: Fools.
Offer 200K$ and negotiate.
August 14, 2007 — 8:17 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Ron – Yes, this is a buyer’s market. No, it’s not anywhere nearly as extreme as the seller’s market was. How buyer’s feel? Who cares how they feel – certainly not the market. It’s a buyer’s market and they can get relatively good deals. Those who behave as if it’s the equal of a seller’s market generating 11 offers in 90 minutes? Not quite. π
The rest is comparing apples to lizards. π
Kris – What benefits do you and Steve derive from open houses?
Loved the post – laughin’ as usual.
August 14, 2007 — 8:25 pm
Kris Berg says:
>Kris – What benefits do you and Steve derive from open houses?
Doing the job our sellers expect us to do – Marketing and exposing their homes in every forum available to us, which (unfortunately) includes open houses. Looking at my Decade-at-a-Glance, I can safely say I will be unavailable for my own memorial service, as I will be otherwise engaged at some random doorstep yelling “42” and “I don’t know!”.
August 14, 2007 — 8:33 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Gotcha – thanks.
Lunch soon?
August 14, 2007 — 8:36 pm
Kris Berg says:
Jeff – Next Sunday is wide open. π
August 14, 2007 — 8:43 pm
BR says:
Ron, there is some truth in that in many markets around the country where even first home buyers have been completely priced out.
August 14, 2007 — 8:46 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Kris – LOL
Works for me.
August 14, 2007 — 9:03 pm
Phil Hoover says:
I haven’t held an open house in six years.
When taking a listing, I explain to my sellers that there are two things I won’t do, even if it means they don’t list with me ~ print ads and open houses.
It isn’t a problem if you explain it upfront.
Open houses benefit agents; not sellers.
August 14, 2007 — 9:54 pm
Russell Shaw says:
There are just two valid reasons for an agent to hold an open house and neither of them has much to do with selling the house being held open.
Reason 1: find stray (motivated) buyers (those that do not have an agent) and become their agent.
Reason 2: meet neighbors who will later want to sell their home.
Doing something time consuming one doesn’t want to do in order to “keep the seller happy” makes no sense.
One time many many years ago before I understood what I have written above I was holding an open house. I had lots of traffic and came to realize that virtually all of the people streaming through were not buyers but were neighbors, looking for decorating ideas and just liked seeing the inside of the other units in the complex. After seeing all of the rooms, as they were on their way out, they would realize they hadn’t even asked me the price – and as they were leaving would ask how much it was selling for. As any real buyer would have wanted to know the price sooner than later – after about 10 people through – I knew my day (yes, it was a Sunday) was a total waste, unless I could find a way to entertain myself. I choose the price. Just to see what would happen, I started quoting prices (in $10,000 increments) lower and lower to see if anyone would even blink. This was a $150,000 condo and I got the quoted price down below 100k. Each of the visitors just thanked me for my time and left.
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Maybe try a line like, “They haven’t listed it yet, I’m doing these open houses to try to get them to sell.”
August 15, 2007 — 1:04 am
Fred Light says:
Time to change open houses – will be attempting a live, VIRTUAL open house next month – people can log on at a specified time, take a walk through the home, up the hallways, down the stairs, out to the backyard. They can virtually ‘drive’ through the neighborhood. They can see and speak, live, with the listing broker. They can receive any pertinent documents regarding the home.
–> Benefit to agent: It only takes a half hour or so of their time, probably in the early evening. It gives you an opportunity to present yourself, in person (so to speak) to potential clients, just like in an open house. No need to waste your weekend babysitting the neighborhood looky-loos. Go sailing or do something fun!
–> Benefit to seller: They are not inconvenienced in the least. They can be home during the open house having dinner!
–> Benefit to buyers: They can come, leave and ask questions – anonymously – if they so desire. No pressure. No hassle. They can view from the comfort of their own home in their bunny slippers. They don’t waste $3 a gallon gas money. They don’t waste time and money going to houses they are not interested in. They can get a very good idea if they are interested in pursuing it further and in person – which obviously would indicate a VERY serious customer. And they can begin to interact with an agent, the first step in possibly engaging that agent in a transaction at some point. Since there is LIVE interaction, it’s a definite huge step forward from a photo on a static website.
One common complaint I hear from buyers: Gas is expensive, there are a record number of properties on the market, they can tell from the second they walk in (or even drive up) if they are interested, yet if they walk in, realize it’s not for them, they feel ‘pressured’ to give up personal information, take a requisite peak at the house (even though they’re NOT interested in the slightest), all the while feeling pressured because the agent is following them around like a puppy dog. Often times they have small kids, which makes the whole process even more annoying. Others have said that oftentimes they will drive up to an open house and LEAVE before entering, because they were the ONLY one there, and they didn’t want the pressure of having a hungry salesman breathing down their neck – so they didn’t even bother to go in.
Will it fly? You never know. I think the time (technologically & market-wise) is right. I have a funny feeling it may be quite successful.
August 15, 2007 — 5:07 am
Greg Swann says:
Not to be a bug in the butter dish, but we’ve done very well at selling listings through open houses. We promote like crazy — at least 1,000, sometimes 2,000 invitations — and we do see a lot of neighbors, but we want for the neighbors to come so they can tell their friends. People definitely are scared to death of being “sold,” so I think I’m going to start wearing a little tag on my shirt, something like, “I haven’t bitten anyone in weeks.”
August 15, 2007 — 6:12 am
Kris Berg says:
>There are just two valid reasons for an agent to hold an open house and neither of them has much to do with selling the house being held open.
What a brave, brave girl to disagree with Russell, but –
I was 100% on board with you a up until about a year ago, but today the open house provides access to a growing population of unrepresented, internet-using, even limited service model-subscribing buyers. Gone are the days when everyone has a solid relationship with an agent, and it is in providing access to these people that the open house is truly valuable. Plus, it saves us and our sellers time by not having to open the door eight separate times during the week. Like Greg, I have sold a couple of homes this year through open houses, to people who weren’t thinking about a particular neighborhood or weren’t even thinking about moving at all, yet the ad brought them in, and the home “moved” them.
Russell, I took some throw-away advice you gave me in a comment months ago along the lines of “If there is something you don’t enjoy doing, there is someone out there who would love to do it for you”. As a result, we now have two buyers agents who can generally (but not always) cover our open houses for us. Unfortunately, both were at the Chargers game Sunday, so Steve and I (season ticket holders ourselves) had to cover. For the record, the irony was not lost on us.
Fred – What you are describing sounds suspiciously like a virtual tour, and all of our listings have one. People still want to touch and feel the home. Let us know how it works out.
August 15, 2007 — 6:45 am
Duane says:
Presenting offers these days by the Agent can be quite embarrassing. I recently showed a home that was well priced in my eyes at $114,900.00. After utilizing a rating system to determine it was the couples top ranked home of “all” the homes we toured, they offered $60,000.00. Had to present the offer with turned down eyes almost. In the mean time as the agent we get the bad name in the seller’s eyes. But it’s our duty to our clients. By the way, I did go in with a positive attitude and no the buyer didn’t get the home or even a counter offer. Couldn’t blame them!
August 15, 2007 — 7:01 am
Greg Swann says:
> Like Greg, I have sold a couple of homes this year through open houses
Just to be clear, we haven’t represented any of these buyers. We could argue that the open house was the procuring cause, but we don’t want to have that argument. We just want the houses sold.
August 15, 2007 — 7:13 am
Kris Berg says:
>Just to be clear, we haven’t represented any of these buyers. We could argue that the open house was the procuring cause, but we don’t want to have that argument. We just want the houses sold.
We wouldn’t want to open that old dual agency can of worms! I will choose my words more carefully next time. π
I meant “sold” as in the home sold. Wasn’t talking about representation.
August 15, 2007 — 8:33 am
Jeff Kempe says:
Maybe it’s because I’m still a relative neophyte, or my retail background, but I love open houses. In fact my first sale was off an open house I was holding open for another realtor. Not only is it important, as Greg noted, to generate conversation among those who might never have otherwise seen the home, but I often glean information on the temper of the market. (Although last week I nodded through fifteen minutes of how badly a divorce was going. In detail. Waaaaay too much detail.)
But, Kris, much, much more importantly: It took Deep Thought 1.5 million yores to come up with “42” as the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything. The problem then was no one knew the question.
Are you suggesting “How many days has it been on the market?”? If so, and you’re right, as I recall that means the galaxy is about to disappear completely and be replaced by something equally improbable…
…I wonder if that will include the real estate industry profession…
August 15, 2007 — 9:26 am
Fred says:
Kris – It is like a virtual tour… and isn’t at all…
First of all the tour is a video tour, walking through the home. An additional tour is driving up and down the side streets and through the neighborhood.
Secondly, the agent is present… LIVE, via video, to answer any questions or present any additional information that people may want to request. So there is live interaction between visitors and the agent. People can ask questions at any time, ask to see additional information, or additional rooms, etc. which can be placed on the screen by the agent.
So… yes it’s virtual…. but it’s not like anything I’ve ever seen done anywhere. Kind of a cross between a virtual tour and a real open house….
August 15, 2007 — 1:24 pm
Elizabeth Weintraub says:
Maybe it’s a California thing, but I’m with Kris about Open Houses. Every year, consistently, 20% to 30% of my listings sell during an open house, sometimes with multiple offers. But I choose high traffic locations in neighborhoods where there is a strong demand.
I’m also aggressive. I greet buyers at the door, shake hands, introduce myself, hand them a flyer, ask them who they are and what they want — in other words, I engage. When a buyer is introduced to you, they treat you differently.
I do not follow, but when asked for more information, I share, and I do point out features a buyer might not otherwise notice. Soon a crowd gathers around me as every other buyer at the open house wants to know how the fireplace was originally constructed, when the electrical was updated to include accent lighting and where the secret cellar door is located.
I always ask sellers what made them buy the home in the first place, and then I use that information to sell it. At a home with a pool, the sellers said they decided to buy the home when they were standing in the back yard, just outside the gated pool area. So, at one open house, I suggested to all the buyers who came through that they should stand in this spot. I shared the seller’s sentiment and asked them how they felt. One of them bought it.
It’s a fallacy that open houses don’t work.
P. S. Last night’s FOC wasn’t the best of the season by any stretch, but aren’t they just delightful?
August 20, 2007 — 7:56 am