Inspired by the glut of controversial posts appearing here lately, I thought I would add one more to the fire. In my recent browsing I stumbled upon a blog that asked a simple question, “Do we need Realtors?” That’s all. That was the whole post. While the questioned seemed relatively simple, the 1000+ (literally) comments made me think a bit harder about this question.
First, let me say that the comments came down on both sides. Many people screamed Yes and No for a variety of reasons, some valid and some simply ludicrous, but the most interesting point that came to my mind was what if someone asked do we need investment bankers? My immediate reaction would be outrage at the attack on my profession. After a bit more consideration, I would ask the more complex question, what has caused that question to be asked? What am I not doing to make my services indispensable to my client?
As an outside observer, I would like to turn this around to suggest what I need and then take a look at how well consumers view realtors meet their needs. Obviously, there will be generalizations here, so if they don’t apply to you, don’t take offense to them.
First, as a consumer I want a realtor to relentlessly try to get me the best deal possible. If I am buying a property, I would like a realtor to help me get the lowest price and if I am selling I would like the opposite. In order to assess this, I need a realtor that knows the market beyond printing out a set of comparable transactions. I would like to know the best blocks to buy and why my house should be valued differently than the house next door.
Realtors fall all over the map in this area; however, on the buyer side they really don’t cut the mustard. To start, the commission structure favors the seller. Most realtors will tout their ethics, but on more than one occasion I have heard and seen realtors take a price that was clearly inappropriate for their client (too high and too low). Even if every realtor was perfectly ethical, consumers see this as an unnecessary temptation; they don’t see it as only several hundred dollars.
Second, realtors need to be consultants, ensuring I find as close to what I am looking for as possible. If this means a quick sales or the right neighborhood, realtors should have enough connections to get me where I want to be. Furthermore, they should be willing to tell me if they just can’t meet my needs. Again, this goes beyond putting my price range in the MLS and handing me a print out. Talk to me about how good the school districts have been in the past and where they look to be going in the future. Show me how many new families have moved in or connect me with some of your previous clients in the neighborhood.
Again, realtors often lack the analytical skills to provide this service. Most consumers actually don’t know this, however. Until you have experienced great service from a great realtor, you would simply be under-whelmed with the services most realtors provide. Case in point, I asked my current realtor for some simple market information and she sent me their quarterly report wrought with poor and incorrect analysis. I might have thought nothing of this, if I had not had a great realtor in the past. Now I just chalk it up to another average realtor.
Finally, I want a realtor who can get me through the transaction as painlessly as possible. While the other things mentioned can be overcome by an active consumer, a bad realtor in this area really engenders negativity. There are countless things that can go wrong as the deal closes and most of them have nothing to do with the realtor; however, realtors are paid to be the experts in this portion of the transaction.
In this arena I feel like most realtors do a good job. I have had great experience with realtors, who have not done the top three things well, but have been able to make a closing happen. This is a very underrated skill, but should certainly be considered in this discussion. Is this enough for a competitive advantage? Perhaps, but it is being eroded quickly by real estate lawyers and other transaction specialists.
The last thing I want to mention are the outside factors affecting realtors and their perceived usefulness. It seems like I have harped on the National Association of Realtors for a week now, but I am amazed that they get paid to destroy their members reputation. Instead of being paid to think of industry innovations, they use their members’ funds to fight a fruitless fight against the Department of Justice and other organizations, as well as spout data to undermine their integrity and that of their members. Perhaps I should start charging realtors half the price to bad mouth them, then maybe I could put the NAR out of business. Too many members spout the party line, which has not been consumer friendly for quite some time.
In closing, I would like to point out that I fall more on the realtors are unnecessary side in their current form. If most realtors provided half of the services listed here well, I would change my opinion in a heartbeat. The realtors on this site (and many of those commenting) never cease to amaze me with their brilliance; unfortunately, they represent a minority of the industry.
While there may not be a better alternative out there now, there sure do seem to be a lot of people clamoring to create one.
Greg Swann says:
> The realtors on this site (and many of those commenting) never cease to amaze me with their brilliance; unfortunately, they represent a minority of the industry.
I think the Realtors writing and commenting here represent the future of residential real estate: Better, smarter Realtors with organized, professional back-end support.
This is a great post, and I admire you for your intelligence and for your courage in raising the issue.
August 14, 2007 — 9:46 am
Ron says:
Finally! This is the post that I have been waiting for. As a buyer of multiple properties, but not yet a seller of any of those properties, I believe that Realtors are in trouble. They provide little value for a buyer that a decent (hourly!) RE attorney cannot provide. The bulk of the property info can be found online. And, the buyer’s agent doesn’t actually have an incentive to get the lowest price, he has an incentive to get the deal done quickly. If you could save your buyer $1000 but it extended the negotiations a month, would you do it? I have yet to encounter an agent that would.
Maybe the agents provide more value to sellers, I don’t know. I am not one yet. But I also agree that the agents that post on this site are the high-value folks that will thrive in a web world, just as the high value travel agents still make money in an age of Travelocity. It’s the average ones that get creamed.
August 14, 2007 — 10:12 am
Jonathan Dalton says:
All good points except for one, Michael …
> Talk to me about how good the school districts have been in the past and where they look to be going in the future.
Legally, we can’t. Change the Fair Housing Act and I’ll discuss them all day long.
August 14, 2007 — 10:39 am
Teri Lussier says:
Michael- Another wonderful post and a great follow-up to last week’s Wake-Up.
I love hearing this type of information- it’s a very easy to read road map for great service. Thank you.
August 14, 2007 — 12:51 pm
Peter Burr says:
Great post…and one the real estate community needs to take very, very seriously. When you consider that most real estate agents stumble into the business, it’s no wonder that there is such a lack of professionalism and quality.
As a real estate broker, I talk to people every week who decide to become Realtors because “they are going thru a mid-life crisis,” or “they just got divorced,” or “they need something to do part-time,” or, my favorite, “they just love looking at houses.”
To make matters worse, all they have to do to get a license is take a 2 week class, then pass a test any 5th grader could pass. Suddenly, they are “prepared” to help people handle one of the largest financial investments of their lives.
Perhaps it’s time to raise the bar in the real estate industry.
August 14, 2007 — 1:33 pm
Douglas A Zahn says:
Do we really need Realtors? Well the Buyers and Sellers I’ve pointed that questions to simply answered this, “Before I hired my Realtor when selling or buying I thought no way do I need a Realtor”. After the process of searching, negotiating, repairs needed for financing, setting up movers, final walk throughs, appointments for measuring, liability issues, (lead paint, proper disclosure), preparing for closing, re-keying the home, and so on and so on and so on….I thought why does anyone choose this profession? I thought a Realtors’ job was to just “show” houses. Both the Buyer and the Seller say they felt little foolish. Why do we need Realtors? No reason!?
August 15, 2007 — 4:16 am
Hilary Shantz says:
We are living in a world of hyper-specialization: people are so busy they hire professional dog-walkers, declutterers, coaches of every ilk, etc. So the need for a good, real estate consultant is more acute than ever in our time-pressured two-income family world! Anyone that can save us time, stress and money, is worth gold! The fact that there are low barriers to entry in this field, is the main deterrant to uniform professioanlism, and sadly gives us all a bad name. But things are changing gradually, and we are all responsible for helping to raise the bar. The light shines brightest in the darkness! Thanks for a healthy perspective on public perception.
August 15, 2007 — 6:10 am
Duane says:
Michael great post and I’m sure some debate heading your way.
I have to agree with your comment about services offered. As a broker we all tout them, but few “provide” them to the buyer. One can search keywords and find many agent web sites (including one of the largest brokerage firms in the world) claiming to the buyer how they will narrow down the buyers choice of homes. Ask the agent involved in these companies and they have no idea that corporate is claiming this as a service they will provide. Plus many agents use the web form from corporate to build their personal web sites touting the same service personally.
It becomes similar to the home buyer making an offer that they will pay $400,000.00 for a home, but then decide not to pay for the home after they move in. Far fetched, but same type of results that the agent is telling the general public and not following through.
Do we need “Realtors” of course. It’s like asking the person with a broken leg to fix it and heal themselves. Doctors claim they will do surgery and repair the broken leg, and they do as they claim (sometimes). Professional agents can help the buyer and seller get a leg up on the real estate industry. But only if they provide the services they are “suggesting.”
The agents either have to remove the services they claim they will provide from their web sites or start walking the walk, and talking the talk!
August 15, 2007 — 7:31 am
Michael Cook says:
Doug,
You mention a lot of things that can be handled by numerous specialists who charge much less than 6% of the selling price. A simple real estate lawyer can handle all of the legal and disclosure isses.
Not sure what state you are in, but I have never had my realtor rekey my house and set up movers. Perhaps you just got better service than I did. As for the walkthough and measuring, I have always wanted to be present for those things anyway. Based on the things you mentioned it seems like a good real estate lawyer and a little patience would have solved your issue and only cost about $2,000 (or less). Unless you are selling a $35,000 house, you get quite a deal.
August 15, 2007 — 7:33 am
Michael Cook says:
Duane,
I totally agree. Based on what I have seen from real estate lawyers and firms that specialize in closings, these services are much cheaper than a real estate agent. If agents dont provide other services well, whats the point of having them?
Based on what I have seen from my agent in the New York market, I am definitely going to attempt an FSBO. Consider my future new home will cost me about $600,000. Its state law that I have to have a real estate lawyer, who will handle all of my transactional needs. So what am I paying the agent for? To bring me buyers, help me prep my home, and give me pricing advice. If I am going to pay him/her $40,000, I want more than an MLS print out and 3 hours on Sunday. Since I havent even seen that in my market, I am going to go it alone and probably pocket at least $30,000 additional cash.
August 15, 2007 — 7:42 am
Jeff Brown says:
Mike – If you really want to make some money in real estate, give me a call. π
August 15, 2007 — 8:16 am
laurie mindnich says:
Michael, you may well pocket the additional cash.
As an out of state Realtor getting used to the NY nuances, I have to say that overall, there are so many avoidable glitches in the NY market that as either a buyer or a seller,your question is perfectly valid. While attorneys are NOT used in most of the country, it is inexcusable for the New York Realtor to remain clueless as to the contract issues, inspection issues, etc. that are forwarded for the attorneys to muddle through, bicker over, and ultimately, resolve…one way or the other. Lacking? The presence of real estate knowledge, which as a buyer, you imply that you seek. By the time you hire a car service to view listings, you are still ahead of the game. Add to this the practices undertaken by many companies in New York that play with fire re. exclusionary practices, and you are prevented from viewing properties (unless unaccompanied by your own Realtor) anyway. Hassles. Will your fsbo be hassle free? Of course not. The question lies in choosing what you appear to have deemed the lesser of two evils, and frankly, if it involved money in my pocket, the decision is fairly easy for you. What loss, to try it? I’d love to offer a diatribe espousing the integrity and professionalism of the NY Realtor, but except in rare cases, it just isn’t present- and I AM one! While my opinion will likely offend some of the NY contingent, it’s an opinion that is offered to encourage Realtors in the state to take charge of the transactions, instead of accepting a passive role and a sideline view.
August 15, 2007 — 8:28 am
Duane says:
Michael,
I’m from Michigan. We currently don’t have any laws requiring a Real-estate Lawyer be part of the transaction, yet… It’s still a “suggestion” on the purchase agreement.
Time to shoot myself in the foot as a broker. It never hurts to give it a shot on your own for the sale. The MLS is still the major tool for sales, but you may get “lucky” as many FSBO’s have. If not there’s always the option of hiring the agent down the line.
I would suggest building the prevailing area commission into your FSBO price. This way if an agent brings you a buyer, it’s like Ragoo, it’s in there. If you choose to list later on, the buyers will not down price their offer $40,000.00 to match what some FSBO’s have tried as price sales. Sounds like you have this part figured out though.
Best of luck, Sell, Sell, Sell!
August 15, 2007 — 8:28 am
J. Ferris says:
This really could land in the real estate steering realm.
August 15, 2007 — 9:46 am
Michael Cook says:
Wow, I am really impressed with the integrity of the folks here. I would have thought for sure people would have blasted me for my critique of realtors or deciding to go FSBO in New York City.
As a side note, I could start my own blog about the New York City Real Estate Industry and the realtors that work in it. I am amazed at how much they make for how little they really do. If the investment banking thing doesnt work out, I will probably become a NYC realtor and make more money on less hours of work.
While I am sure there are some great realtors in NYC, I have not seen one (and I have already seen at least 12).
August 15, 2007 — 10:41 am
Greg Swann says:
You’re a buyer right now, right, Michael? Did any of the agents you’ve met disclose to you that buyers have no representation in NYC? My understanding is that this is one of the last bastions of sub-agency — every agent works for the seller, none for the buyer. I’d just be interested to know if anyone told you.
FWIW, I know there are great agents in Manhattan — and I have no doubt you’d be a great one, too.
August 15, 2007 — 1:10 pm
Michael Cook says:
Yes, we ALWAYS specifically request buyer’s agents and were told by everyone that there was no such thing in NYC. Everyone let us know they represent the seller, in words and actions.
August 15, 2007 — 2:10 pm
J. Ferris says:
NYC is a real tough nut to crack and worse yet, they have no MLS. I’ve even heard that agents down there make up to 10% commission on home sales/rentals. The problem with NYC real estate is getting in because you have people who’ve worked building owners for yeeeeeeearrrrrs to get the entire building exclusively.
August 15, 2007 — 2:22 pm
laurie mindnich says:
How awful that a decrepit system of building “ownership” will deter smart consumers for much longer…nah. Then, they become involved in real estate, and effectively bury the current nightmare of exclusion, desire for full in house commissions, and generally…unethical real estate brokers in NYC. Strong statement? I’d like the few that ARE there with a fiduciary understanding for the consumer to respond with a sensible and compelling reason to utilize services. Curious.
August 17, 2007 — 6:57 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Please excuse me, as this has been a long week, and I’m a little tired.
Use a broker, don’t use a broker. Live with your choice. Turn the page, go forth and live your lives.
Either the broker adds value for you, or they don’t. This isn’t rocket science people. This is mostly veiled frustration at the inability to get into broker’s pockets without feeling like you did something for which Mom might not approve.
You either know what you’re doing or you don’t. If you can’t find a broker with the requisite skills and character to suit you, create a new reality.
Honestly, I don’t mean any disrespect to anyone here. But the agendas are laughably transparent, and the frustration at the consistent failure to get more for less is easily seen by anyone who will see.
August 17, 2007 — 7:43 pm
Canadian REALTOR says:
I am an experienced professional with skills that have value to my clients. And there are more like me. Please don’t compare us to all the apprentices out there.
Everytime someone relates their sad tale about some REALTOR I ask, what was your criteria that led you to select this person to represent you. Without fail there is some lame response which indicates in fact they had no criteria. So, CONSUMER, if you refuse to consider how long a REALTOR has been licensed or whether the REALTOR is licensed as an Agent / Broker or a mere salesperson or how much continuing professional education they have taken, then accept whatever you get.
You have no one to blame but yourself for your inept research on the person you have chosen and engaged to represent you.
August 18, 2007 — 7:31 pm
laurie mindnich says:
I have to add, Michael, in ALL HONESTY, things are vastly different elsewhere. In Denver, using a Realtor meant that the house went in the the mls that day; that your house was open and advertised to every agent; and that as a buyer, any agency offered buyer representation and UNDERSTOOD it. Criminal type agents in the minority aside, it is so different than the NY environment. Denver agents do everything, from contract to addendums for the inspection to checking with the title company regularly to interacting with the lender. I would answer your query in a completely different manner if you were from Denver. The whole environment was cooperative TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CONSUMER. Rates- all over the board. FSBO’s may sell, but most don’t. In NY, sellers actually netted MORE doing it themselves, with a significatly higher purchase price for the seller. Did I mention… very little buyer representation in New York, unlike anywhere else…
August 19, 2007 — 3:13 pm
Sue says:
Michael, I’m following all your links tonight, so here I am again. π
Different areas handle transactions differently. In NJ, we almost always have an attorney representing both sides. Realtors need to be careful regarding giving “opinions” on schools…supporting data is another thing. I know there are alot of realtors out there that aren’t really earning their money and are getting a free ride thru connections or social networking. New York is a tough town, if ever a buyer needed representation… I’m a little surprised to hear that you haven’t encountered a good realtor in NY. I always thought of NY as having some of the smartest talent in all areas of business. Its a real job that requires real knowledge, skill, integrity and tenacity.
June 18, 2008 — 8:55 pm