[This post came up yesterday in a discussion at Unchained, and I’m kicking it back to the top of the blog because the issue of data portability is so important for people who might be coming anew into the world of Web 2.0/Social Media Marketing. –GSS]
Would it surprise you to learn that host, hostage and hostility are cognate terms? They come to us by way of French and German, but that hos idea in Latin trips lightly from guest to stranger to foreigner to enemy.
I happen to be thinking of these English words — host, hostage and hostility — because I wanted to come up with a very simple rule for dealing with technology vendors. Alas, I think the best I can do is three simple rules:
- Avoid hosted software systems
- Avoid proprietary technology
- Pursue commodity solutions — and prices
I bought and populated two new domains tonight. We buy all our domains from Godaddy.com — a commodity vendor — to simplify management and renewals. I control all of our hosting through a semi-dedicated server at HostGator.com, which means that I pay nothing extra to propagate a new domain. I have to pay for the domain registration, but I pay no additional charges beyond our regular flat monthly fee for hosting as many domains as I want.
I’m at the far right edge of the Realtor geek curve — as of tonight, we control 79 domains — but, with one exception, we control all of our data, with no need to fear the vicissitudes of vendors. (What’s the exception? Our virtual tours are hosted through VisualTour Obeo.com, which seems to us to be less odious than the other odious virtual tour vendors.)
Why does this matter? If you don’t control your own data, you don’t control your business. You are at the mercy of the vendors who do control your data. If you lose faith in them — or if they look like they might fail the test of the marketplace — you may find out much too late that applying my three rules would have made good sense.
So: Let’s go through them again in detail:
- Avoid hosted software systems
For dedicated web site vendors, dedicated weblog vendors, dedicated virtual or video tour vendors, dedicated customer relationship management vendors, the money is in the blades — the monthly hosting fees — not the razor, the ostensible product. The initial outlay might be steep enough, but the gravy comes from taking money from you month after month for “services” for which the added incremental costs are almost nothing. Okayfine. Everybody’s gotta eat. The trouble with hosted software systems is not the pricing but, rather, who owns the data and what happens to it when you elect to take your business elsewhere. Is your data yours to take with you? Worse, is your confidential information truly confidential? If you do switch vendors, will your contact database, for example, find its way onto the spam market? Can you be sure that it won’t? The vendors in BloodhoundBlog’s audience will surely squeal that their integrity is being unfairly impugned. That’s fine. With what third parties do they share their confidential, proprietary information? Catch a clue: Do as they do and not as they say. - Avoid proprietary technology
Here’s the cute part about dealing with hosted software systems: They’re almost always built on proprietary software tools. Even if you can take your data with you at the door, you can’t take that software that you have paid for, month after month. Welcome to Ground Zero, where you get to start all over again. I am not arguing against intellectual property rights — far from it. But if you have paid for software, your right to use that software should not end with your relationship with the software vendor. If you have hardware that will still run Lotus 1-2-3, you have every right to see your P&L statement in glowing green digits. Ideally, any tools you use on hosted systems should be open source. Failing that, you should have a full-boat license to the functionality, not a license that is rent-based or contingent upon your continued commerce with the licensor. - Pursue commodity solutions — and prices
And thus we come to god’s gift to rational internet commerce, the Apache web server. If your net-based software systems are all built with standard Apache web server open source tools — like Perl, PHP, Ruby, MySQL and WordPress — your data is free from the bonds of avaricious vendors. Moving a decent sized real estate practice from one Apache server to another is not a task to be undertaken lightly. But it can be undertaken, with no loss of either your data or your software functionality. Moreover, because you are using commodity tools, your monthly hosting charges will reflect commodity prices. We pay less per month for all of our hosting — dozens of domains — than you will pay for one vendor-hosted web site.
And that’s all easy to say. But the horse is already out of the barn, isn’t it? You’re already being held hostage by hostile hosting vendors. What should you do now?
First, observe these rules in all of your future vendor relationships. Work only with vendors who will let you host your own data and own your own software on your own Apache web server — or an equivalent server technology that gives you a level of mobility you’re comfortable with.
Second, put your existing vendors on notice that you want them moving toward this ideal of host-independence with no take-it-or-leave-it software licenses.
Third, if you have to break away from a hostile host who holds your data or software hostage — grin and bear it — but learn your lesson. Your data is your business. If you don’t control it, your life belongs to the vendor who does control your information.
Technorati Tags: disintermediation, real estate, real estate marketing
John says:
I totally agree, I’ve been using Media Temple to do the same thing.
August 3, 2007 — 6:43 am
Dave Barnes says:
As a webmaster for 30+ websites for 15+ clients, I heartily agree.
For example, my contract with my clients says that they own all the artwork. Original, intermediate work product and final.
August 3, 2007 — 8:09 am
Duane says:
Enjoy your informative writings! I did the same with purchases through Godaddy, very habit forming but well worth it.
August 3, 2007 — 8:15 am
Steven Groves says:
I read this and immediately thought ‘Greg, you must be insane… is he encouraging real estate professionals to build personal server / software infrastructure to maintain their business?’
I am an advocate of integrated, easy-to-use technology solutions at a fair prices. I’ve looked at many of them for clients uses. I like that for just a few dollars a month, the software and server are immediately available and it is maintained and backed up for me. It give me back time to either enjoy my friends / family or otherwise focus on my business.
If your point is to make sure the agent / broker sees the value not of the application but the underlying data, I get it… it is the overarching conversation I have with clients that the real value in what you do is in the data.
I acknowledge your admission that you are at the far right of being geeky but the real estate professionals I come across are more toward the far left and only rarely do they approach even the middle of geek behavior.
I do think a real estate professional needs to get a bit more geeky, but I monitor my interactions with the market and thus far, I have not seen them come out en mass.
August 3, 2007 — 8:27 am
Steve Jagger - Ubertor says:
Greg,
I saw this post and wanted to write about a promotion we are running at SFConnect. Any agent can use promo code – CONNECT07 – on our order form to get one of our websites for 6 months for $1.00. This allows us to prove to Realtors that we are worth the fees they pay. If they think we are not, it costs them $1.00 to figure it out. – http://order.ubertor.com/signup
Yes, your points apply to us – sort of. We do not allow agents to move our software to other hosting suppliers. We have thought about it, even tried it once, but it did not work out as the updates that we do every week stopped for that version due to the customization that was happening to it by the other party.
I agree that once a client is up and running and a few months have past the cost of running their site drops. I truly feel our value is that we have a team of programmers on staff and we do roll outs every week with new features, bug fixes, enhancements, etc. That is our value. For example, Kris Berg asked us yesterday to do some more to the RSS of the way our listings work so that Trulia can index them better. This is something that we will do, at no extra cost to her but as an extra cost to us. I think we provide great value as our system is always getting better. We don’t sign contracts so our clients are only with us cause they want to be – not because they have to be.
I guess the reason for my comment was that your point is correct in many ways, but your average agent is nowhere near your expertise in technology. That is why we have a job and a business. I’m sure once the majority of them are similar to you, our business will have morphed into something that continues to provide value. We are good at morphing and changing to ensure we are of value.
I just thought that that promo code allows someone to play with our stuff at a very small cost for 6 months.
August 3, 2007 — 9:23 am
Matthew Hardy says:
Perhaps Greg’s point applied to Steve Jagger’s comment “but your average agent is nowhere near your expertise in technology” and Steven Groves’ comment “only rarely do they approach even the middle of geek behavior” would be this: average agents will remain average because they miss the point of data collection and leverage. Many times I’ve heard the story of agents having to start over because they needed/wanted to leave a hosted solution only to find that they could not take all their client histories with them. Some cry. Most say “never again”. Greg nailed it: “Your data is your business.”
August 3, 2007 — 10:54 am
Doug Trudeau says:
Greg – You make a strong argument for ownership. Its my business, my thoughts, my efforts, my work, and hopefully the net result is loyal readers and clients.
August 3, 2007 — 2:13 pm
John L. Wake says:
For others approaching the far right edge of the real estate geek curve, pair.com has hosting where you can have as many web sites as you want on one account within usage limits.
93 domains at godaddy.com. Please stop me before I renew again!
August 4, 2007 — 10:47 pm
Matthew Hardy says:
Mmmm… a little company called Microsoft recently had their Windows Genuine Advantage servers down for 19 hours. Imagine if they were hosting your real estate app. Imagine their servers being down during critical times relating to your most important transactions. Oh well, your clients would understand.
Don’t Trust the Servers – Columns by PC Magazine
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2176192,00.asp
August 28, 2007 — 9:35 am
Bob says:
In the spirit of “control your own data”, make sure you truly are master of your domain. If you are with GoDaddy, you have some inherent risks. I own (at the moment, anyways) 88 domains and will only do business with Moniker.
October 17, 2007 — 9:08 am
Greg Swann says:
> If you are with GoDaddy, you have some inherent risks.
Say on. What risks? I have every of our domains at Parson’s place.
October 17, 2007 — 10:35 am
Sue says:
Found this post and recently have had some concerns about hosting of domains. I currently have most at GoDaddy and register.com. Not sure I understand what risks could be involved with GoDaddy as long as passwords, etc are secure and or changed.
April 20, 2008 — 3:44 pm
dave g says:
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May 21, 2008 — 3:41 pm
Chris Johnson says:
I would say that ceterus paribus this is good advice. But we don’t want to make these iron fast hinderances.
A lot of seniors manage their portfolio to avoid taxes, but they avoid gains in the process.
I have avoided going with a web based CRM that I couldn’t host for your reason. I would be willing to go with them, provided vendor had business practices that won’t rechurn data, that many solutions are convenient.
I never bit bullet with Top Producer for this reason; Sugar CRM wasn’t ready for prime time yet (still isn’t), and I just was anxious about all my data over there.
Perhaps a bloodhound CRM could be created in a couple of innovation cycles.
May 21, 2008 — 7:42 pm
Matthew Hardy says:
The issue of data portability is a central issue for real estate business owners and for the public. The importance to the real estate business owner to retain historical data (rich CRM) is obvious for reason of valuation. The public may very well come to insist on a credible answer to the question: what kind of controls do you have Mr/Ms Realtor? I’ve predicted for years that the day will come when sellers will present prospective listing agents with an NDA indicating the terms under which data on their transaction can be used.
For a few more ideas on this:
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/21/we-need-a-privacy-bi.html
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/05/securitymatters_0515
http://www.dataportability.com/
May 21, 2008 — 11:57 pm
Jim Gatos says:
I totally agree.. I write my own sites, I buy my domains like you through GoDaddy.. I use Hostgator, I can have as many domains on them.. no charge. Just like you..
I use OpenOffice 3.0 Beta and I love it.. I use Thunderbird and an add on named BirdieSync to sync to my Moto Q (may upgrade to a Q9 soon… ) Only $30 versus M$ Outlook and Office (over $400) and I cancelled Top Producer 7i 3 years ago.. They are like a “narcotic”, once you upload your database onto them they try to shackle you with their dollar plus a day cost and more, for what? I can do the same thing with Thunderbird in terms of contact management. Sure, there is a little learning curve, but look at the cost… Thanks but no thanks, Realtor.com… and as for their templates, you can make better ones yourself.
I am switching to the IDX system from my mls in September, it’s part of my dues anyway and having to shell out $400 plus yearly for enhanced IDX is ridiculous… I totally agree and understand..
Jim
May 22, 2008 — 5:11 am
Bob says:
Greg, I missed your question last time and just saw it.
GD has a few unspecified policies that Moniker does not. GD has been known to hold domains hostage for spamming. That may seem noble, but the problem with GD is that no proof is required. You pay a fine or lose the domains.
If you use private registration, it stays private with Moniker unless ordered otherwise by a judge. GD has released registration info to attorneys on the threat of a lawsuit.
You will find that in the domaining world, Moniker is the clear choice. GD is geared to mom and pop.
With as many domains as you have, you would get a pretty good bulk rate.
May 22, 2008 — 6:39 am
Greg Swann says:
> You will find that in the domaining world, Moniker is the clear choice. GD is geared to mom and pop.
You are a wealth of great information. I was singing your praises last night at dinner.
May 22, 2008 — 7:01 am
Mark McGlothlin says:
We’re yet another who has left GD for safer pastures, and agree they are geared for mom and pop. We’re a real estate market research company, and do some web design on the side. We hold about 180 domains, and have long used Hostgator given their customizable hosting solutions, fair pricing, and great track record.
As our bread and better business is critical market data, we have avoided proprietary technology whenever possible to control and protect our livelihood. Too many RE professionals out there don’t have the long term control and ownership of their data they think they do. Most realize that’s the case when it’s much, much too late.
Mark, Redfish Emerging Markets
May 22, 2008 — 8:21 am
Bob says:
Thanks Greg.
I think this topic of controlling you own data and online destiny is huge.
I understand and agree that many are not as tech savvy as others and that web site companies provide a degree of comfort because there is support on the other end of the phone or an email, but if you are bound to a web provider with a proprietary setup for your site, you have huge risk.
WordPress is under-appreciated as a website platform. It is an amazing CMS mislabeled as a blogging platform. It is far more than a blog and is a gift from Heaven to the indi business that can’t afford to have everything in house.
For those that still need the comfort of CS, there are web companies companies that have built their biz on a WordPress platform. The benefits of paying more for their tech comes into play with upgrading WP and widgets, backend mods and hacks, and backing up data.
Because it’s WP, if you decide to go it alone, or even switch providers that are based on WP, it’s pretty easy to move, even keeping the same url architecture.
May 22, 2008 — 12:41 pm