Trevor Smith’s answer to Dual Agency?
Let the buyer represent himself, and give him the commission regularly paid to the Buyer’s Agent. (Granted, this would still leave the buyer relatively unprotected, but at least if something goes bad, its his own fault and not the agents).
Your obvious question is, “Where are the customary apostrophes to indicate a contraction or possessive noun?” No, wait, that is just me. What you are really thinking I suspect is that this sounds suspiciously like a Redfin philosophy, but then, Trevor is not so coincidentally a Redfin agent from Seattle.
By the way, according to Trevor, Redfin’s Blue Collar Spokesmodel, they are gaining market share there at warp speed. In 2006, it was reported that Redfin closed over 200 transactions. Now, it seems they are putting those deals to bed at a clip of 90 a week. I feel a press release coming on!
In light of Trevor’s recent remarks, I’ll take the opportunity to open old dual agency wounds. Is dual agency truly the root of all evil? It depends on who you ask. Even here at the Kennel Club, we have two camps. Now, let’s make that three.
I fall somewhere in the middle on the subject. Steve and I have acted as dual agents in many transactions. We do not like it, and we do not seek it out, but at times it is so very appropriate that any argument suggesting we are compromising our agency duties is simply ludicrous.
BITING THE HAND THAT FEEDS ME
Greg Swann is a well-known critic of dual agency transactions.
Disclosed Dual Agency cannot possibly be effected — in reality — without repeated, overt agency violations.
I will offer one example of how this statement is not only wrong but offensive to those of us that bend over backwards to protect the rights and interests of our clients – all of them. We closed escrow recently on a transaction involving our listing and our buyer. The reasons dual agency worked in this situation relate back to Russell Shaw’s contention that we have less control over our client’s decisions than one might imagine.
The idea that the agent somehow controls what a buyer will pay and what a seller will accept only indicates a disconnect from reality.
In our particular case, I had been showing past clients homes -many of them. And by past clients, I mean that we had an established relationship; we represented them on the sale of their last home over a year ago, and they most recently had been in my car for three consecutive weekends looking at properties. They were very qualified to purchase a much more expensive home than those at which we had been looking, but they were very disciplined. They established a maximum price limit and were committed to standing by it, as evidenced by the two offers we submitted that died because of their unwillingness to go a penny beyond this number. Enter new listing. This listing was what Steve and I have come to refer to as an SOS (save our sale). It had previously been marketed by a “relative” for six months to no avail. The sellers were anxious, to say the least.
This particular home did not meet the buyer’s prescribed “needs”, yet I have learned that a buyer’s true needs are a moving target. I suggested they take a look, as it was in their price range. The bottom line is that the buyer instructed me to write a take it or leave it offer. They buyer had seen enough homes to perceive value at the offered price; the seller had been on the market long enough to perceive value in the offer submitted. The interests of both sides were served.
Certainly, negotiated items in a transaction involve more than price, but it is a fallacy to suggest that the price issues does not eclipse all others. Greg commented recently:
The buyer is wise to close near the end of the month to avoid pre-paid interest. The seller is wise to close on or near the first of the month to avoid making another loan payment. If I advise either of them of these facts, I am working to the advantage of one over the other.
This is minutia and, while there are arguments to make against dual agency, this particular argument is weak. The bottom line is the bottom line. Pay me now or pay me later. From the seller’s standpoint, I can make that last mortgage payment and get a bigger check at closing, or I can pay it out of my proceeds and receive a smaller settlement.
TINKERS AND TEA
Ardell DeLoggia had a dream about the negotiating process becoming more civil and, therefore, more productive. She proposed long ago (and I am too lazy to look up the link) that, with the parties really working toward the same end game, the process just might be more productive if the principals talked it out over a cup of tea. I challenged the idea at the time as being more than a little utopian, and yet if there was ever an opportunity for this type of approach, the dual agency transaction may provide the best environment. Success in a real estate transaction should not be measured by how much you have beat up and bullied the other party; it should be measured by the outcome. As agents, we are both advocates and functionaries. Either role can be more or less important in any given circumstance.
PERCEPTION IS REALITY
Jeff Brown correctly acknowledged that the issue of perception is perhaps the greatest barrier to successful dual agency, and perceptions of favoritism and compromised advocacy always pose a liability threat. This is why a dual agency role should only be assumed under the proper circumstances and with the maximum of care and caution.
At the risk of oversimplifying, an agent’s duties can be loosely lumped into three categories: Entry, negotiations and transaction oversight. And there are really three categories of buyers that could throw you into the dual agent role:
- Buyer as established listing agent client;
- Buyer as accidental client; and,
- Buyer as listing agent shopper.
The listing agent shopper (LAS) is perhaps the perfect candidate for the dual representation scenario. I’ll call him Redfin Direct. He either doesn’t want representation or doesn’t think he needs it. He has accepted responsibility for access and he has mentally taken on the role of negotiator, so he is going to be the least concerned with agent loyalties. His perception is that he only needs a functionary, and his primary motivations are control and money, mostly money. His perception is that by approaching the listing agent directly, he will negotiate a credit in terms of price or actual monetary concession in escrow, and he is often correct. Variable commission structures to the seller are not uncommon (the fee is less if the agent represents both sides), and absent a variable commission, the LAS is in the position to negotiate directly with the listing agent. Either way, he sees money up for grabs, and the biggest issue is who the lucky recipient of the windfall will be.
The case of the accidental client, that buyer who has wandered in unrepresented as a sign- or ad-caller is the most likely candidate for reassignment to an uninvolved agent. With an established relationship between seller and agent, and absent an established trust between buyer an agent, dual agency in this situation begs for perceptions of conflict of interest down the road, both real and imagined.
The established listing agent client is a sticky wicket. Surprisingly, we find ourselves in this situation often. The established client won’t want to be reassigned to another agent to represent him, as he is presumably working with his agent because of the past relationship and earned trust. With the agent having a clear loyalty to and familiarity with both parties, the agent would be wise to expect the “Mom always liked you best” charges. Reassigning the established client could simply exacerbate the perception of favoritism, at least in the mind of the buyer. To continue to represent both sides successfully and leave the impression that both were loved equally will likely cost the agent.
DUAL AGENCY AT A COST
The cost of successfully performing as a dual agent is huge, in terms of both time and money. Each and every time we have accepted this role, the effort has been logarithmically greater than that of the single-side transaction. To ensure that both sides leave the transaction feeling that their interests have been served requires the utmost of attention, care and finesse. Then there is the money. Even if the dual agent is able to make it through the price negotiations with their fee intact, they had better expect to have that checkbook poised at all times. When it comes time to negotiate repairs, for instance, guess who is most likely to cut the check?
DIVIDE AND CONQUER
So, I am the middle man on the issue. Depending on the circumstances, dual agency can make all the sense in the world or no sense at all. As a not-so-trivial caveat, if Steve and I were not a “team”, it would never make sense (unless of course we enjoyed the inside of a courtroom). With two bodies, we always choose to share custody in these circumstances. At the first sign of a potential dual agency situation, and only with full knowledge and consent of both parties, we agree to an amicable separation. He will represent one side, I will represent the other, and we will reconcile as one big, happy family only once all contingencies have been removed.
So, I don’t see dual agency as inherently evil, just inherently risky business. Arguments against the practice are based on a potential compromise of agency and fiduciary obligations. As Trevor suggests, what better way to avoid blurring of the agency lines than to eliminate agency for one side altogether? At least then, if something goes bad, its his own fault and not mine.
Trevor Smith says:
Hi Kris,
Thanks for keeping me on my toes with my grammar. My brother is an English teacher and would be gravely disappointed with me. π
Please let me clarify a few things about my statements. When I said that Redfin is taking in around 90 transactions a week, I was referring to offers and listings submitted through our website. As you know with real estate, all of these do not reach mutual acceptance. I apologize if I was not clear on this point.
Also, please remember that Blue Collar Agents is my own blog with my own opinions. Yes, I work for Redfin (In fact I love working at Redfin), but Blue Collar Agents is not the opinion of Redfin – it is my very own.
Finally, let me get to the meat of the matter. What is wrong with letting a buyer represent themselves in a transaction if they are fully aware of the risks? We already allow sellers to do this with For Sale by Owner Assistance Brokers. In fact, one of my smoothest transactions right now is a deal where I am a Buyer’s Agent dealing directly with the sellers. Please let me be clear on this point: I am not saying that a buyer representing himself is ideal (if I did I wouldn’t be a real estate agent). I am saying that buyers should have this option if they want it. It is their money and their home they will be purchasing – shouldn’t they be allowed to handle their own negotiations and paperwork if they want to? Moreover, if they do the work that a buyer’s agent would regularly do, why not give them the buyer’s agent’s commission?
Also, I feel that you took my statement a bit out of context. This suggestion was just one of a few ideas for alternatives to dual agency. This was by no means THE solution.
May 8, 2007 — 9:17 pm
Trevor Smith says:
On a technical note, I think you linked to the wrong post on my blog… it goes to Mike Ognek’s post on Open Market 2.0. π
May 8, 2007 — 9:21 pm
Trevor Smith says:
OK…one final thought. (I feel like a comment hog). In the instance you cited of you being a dual agent. Do you believe your buyers could have been just as well or better served by working with another agent in your brokerage? The other agent earns a commission, you earn a referral fee, and there are no conflict of interest – sounds like a win – win for everyone.
It looks like this deal went well for you, but deals go bad quickly and without notice, and when they do, it is a nightmare to be in a dual agency situation.
This may sound naive, but as Joe Buyer, I would rather represent myself than be represented by someone who is also representing the seller.
May 8, 2007 — 9:37 pm
Kris Berg says:
Hey, Trevor!
1. The grammar comment was a joke. I live in a glass house.
2. “It looks like this deal went well for you, but deals go bad quickly and without notice, and when they do, it is a nightmare to be in a dual agency situation.” When any deal goes “bad”, it can be a nightmare, dual agency or not.
3. “Do you believe your buyers could have been just as well or better served by working with another agent in your brokerage?” No. We had an established relationship built on trust and past success. My client wanted me to represent them; to reassign them to another, unfamiliar agent would have not have been their wish. Do you think they might ask why they were being handed off rather than the seller?
4. “The other agent earns a commission, you earn a referral fee, and there are no conflict of interest – sounds like a win – win for everyone.” I fail to see how a purported conflict of interest is removed if I only stand to earn a percentage of the commission rather than the full commission. Money is money, and if the argument is that money clouds ones judgment, then your argument should be that they be reassigned with no consideration to me. Maybe in this scenario, I would be 75% less conflicted?
For the record, Trevor, let me appologize for coming off as “stinging”. I do enjoy your blog, and I can always appreciate divergent opinions, even those I happen to disagree with. (Ending sentence in a preposition). π
May 9, 2007 — 6:41 am
Trevor Smith says:
1.) I know – no worries.
2.) You are right Kris. A bad deal is a bad deal… but a dual agency bad deal is a really bad deal. It is much more likely to end with you (the agent) as the person of blame (or the person being served).
3.) If it were legal, I would have no issue handing the seller off to another agent. The way our contracts (WA) are worded we can’t do it though.
4.) You could be right… maybe you should hand them off with no referral fee. I guess I was just feeling generous π
Just out of curiosity, how would you have (hypothetically) handled this deal if the buyer wanted to back out of the transaction for no apparant reason and keep his earnest money, and at the same time the seller demanded to keep the earnest money. Who would you fight for?
May 9, 2007 — 2:48 pm
Kris Berg says:
>Just out of curiosity, how would you have (hypothetically) handled this deal if the buyer wanted to back out of the transaction for no apparant reason and keep his earnest money, and at the same time the seller demanded to keep the earnest money. Who would you fight for?
Fortunately, our CA contract is pretty clear on this point. Contingencies removed in writing = seller money; no contingency waiver = buyer money. I do understand your point, though. (Still not prepared to say dual agency should be nuked entirely, however).
By the way, Trevor, have you heard the crickets and noticed that we seem to have a “private”, IM sort of thing going here? π
May 9, 2007 — 3:27 pm
Trevor Smith says:
I have noticed that… either we are just really lame or the issue of dual agency has been discussed to death already… I’m hoping for the latter. π
May 9, 2007 — 3:40 pm
Kris Berg says:
Or… everyone is out doing real work today. My money is on lame and discussed to death. π
May 9, 2007 — 4:08 pm
ardell dellaloggia says:
Building relationships is the glue that holds everything together. Before that is a relationship between the buyer and the seller, it is between each of them and their clients.
May 17, 2007 — 12:59 am
Trevor Smith says:
Hi Ardell,
Do you mind elaberating a bit more on this? I am assuming that you are saying something to this effect:
Relationship = Loyalty
Loyalty (probably) = Favortism
Therefore dual agency can never be fair to both parties because the relationship has been built with one party first (usually the seller).
Maybe I am reading way to deep, or maybe I am missing it… more insight would be awesome.
May 17, 2007 — 8:19 am
ardell dellaloggia says:
Trevor,
In WA, Dual Agency only involves the listing agent and not the listing company. Generally speaking that means the seller is only represented by one person and the buyers of the world are represented by anyone else they choose, even another agent in the same office as the listing agent.
I have done many Dual Agency transactions around the Country over the years, but most recently I say “here’s the 3% Buyer Agent Fee, keep it and represent yourself OR hire an agent with it.”. Still sometimes people want me to represent both, and if both the buyer and the seller want that, then I comply. But they have to both want it. I cannot push it on them.
I either have a strong relationship with the seller when I meet the buyer, and can’t alter that. OR I don’t have a strong relationship with the seller, which is worse. When you start liking the buyer better than the client that hired you in the first place, you better not represent both π
May 18, 2007 — 12:05 am
Trevor Smith says:
I totally agree with you Ardell…my only variance would be that I find the situation you referenced in your final paragraph to be so easy to fall into, and so detrimental, that I avoid dual agency all together.
The problem with DA is that it always starts with good intentions, but when something goes wrong and the good intentions fly out the window, the agent is the one left stuck in the middle.
May 18, 2007 — 9:11 am
Kris Berg says:
>The problem with DA is that it always starts with good intentions, but when something goes wrong and the good intentions fly out the window, the agent is the one left stuck in the middle.
How is this different than any agency relationship, dual or otherwise?
May 18, 2007 — 9:37 am
Trevor Smith says:
It is different because in a standard agency relationship you know where your loyalty lies – your client. Dual agency does not allow you to have loyalty to one party, thus leaving you in an impossible conundrum when the deal goes bad.
May 18, 2007 — 9:47 am