I have been busy lately, so busy that while my back was turned I missed about 47 Russell Shaw Podcasts. Sorry, Russell. I fully intend to listen in, uninterrupted, when I have a sufficient block of time (say, the month of May?), but I have been too busy with business to learn how to do more business. I have been reading Inman like I read the daily print rag – Headlines only. And only a teaser along the lines of “Greg Swann to Speak at Annual Humility Conference” would have tempted me to get side-tracked.
So, what I have been doing all week is a lot of mechanical real estate stuff (prepare for the listing, take the listing, market the listing, manage the escrow). What I have been doing a lot more of, however, is listening. By Friday, my husband Steve (or, my wacky sidekick, as he often calls himself) may be threatening to have the phone surgically removed from my ear.
What I have learned can be generally categorized as follows:
- A bunch of well-intended people are knee-deep in bad loan doo-doo in my area, far more than I knew.
- Steve and I are finding that Pro Bono work is taking a considerable amount of our time these days, and we don’t mind.
- Lenders and loan brokers are making us look good.
Steve and I, in the past week alone, have met or spoken repeatedly and at length with three different couples in trouble. The situations have ranged from the sad to the tragic. In each case, we have felt it was our obligation and duty to meet with the parties to pencil out scenarios and discuss the implications of the various options. In each case, we knew that we would not be paid for our time, now or in the future. Call it social responsibility.
My “tragic” example involved a military family with three properties totaling approximately $1.7 million in value, all acquired within the past two years, the most recent having closed escrow just a couple of months ago. Each was purchased with or refinanced into a 100% interest only loan with negative amortization. Due to a declining market, all were upside-down. My family, we will call them the victims, had been looking at their mortgage statements recently when they were shocked to see a couple of grand a month being added to the principle on each home. In their words, they didn’t understand the loans they were getting. “No one should have ever loaned me this money” and “I am a (name your occupation) – I don’t understand this stuff so was relying on the professionals” were the things we heard. So trusting is this couple, that one of the properties is currently listed by the mortgage broker who got them into this mess!
And this is the part that broke my heart. They have been struggling to stay current on all loan and insurance payments, and have. They have FICO scores above 720 and virtually no late-pays. When we suggested that refinancing was not an option, leaving only short-sales (in which case they need to stop making payments to make the case of hardship to the banks) or foreclosures, both of which will take their credit to the proverbial cleaners, they looked completely defeated. Their credit was the one thing they wanted to preserve, but they just wanted out.
It may be convenient to argue that these people wouldn’t be in their present pickle if they had made good choices last year or the year before. It is just so easy to suggest that these folks should have stayed within a budget and not purchased homes they could by all accounts not afford. And it is tempting for their lending representatives to defend their roles in facilitating the purchases that should never have happened by saying, “This is what they wanted, and it wasn’t my place to talk them out of it. It was ultimately their decision”. But, buying a home is not buying a pair of shoes.
I have a pair of hot pink patterned pumps which I bought a few years back. The shoe salesman did not ask me how many pairs of shoes were already in my closet (too many), nor did he challenge the sanity of the purchase (there should have been a saliva test involved), and he certainly didn’t question whether I could afford the $50 (work with me here, girls – this is what I told Steve they cost). I thought I needed them, and I bought them. In my Case of the Questionable Purchase, however, I was not anticipating selling them at a profit to buy a more expensive pair next year. If the price of Silly Shoes was to plummet next week, I wouldn’t find myself shoeless. And, I knew that $50 meant $50, not $2000 over the life of the insoles.
How do otherwise intelligent people find themselves in homes they can’t afford with loans they can’t afford? Is it the need for shelter, is it greed or is it simply the desire to acquire some financial independence in the long-term? The answer really doesn’t matter. It is the question that does.
How in the hell do the “trusted advisors” who sold them these loan products sleep nights?
To an industry, it is time to take some responsibility. In many circumstances, the right thing to do may be to just say “no”. It will cost you a paycheck, but your actions have very real and serious impact on the very real lives and futures of very real people. And you can take that to the bank.
Brian Brady says:
“How in the hell do the “trusted advisors” who sold them these loan products sleep nights?”
They weren’t trusted advisors just loan hacks.
“Lenders and loan brokers are making us look good.”
There were predatory Realtors, too, Kris. Go to any nightclub in PB and swing a dead cat and you’ll hit 3 of them and 3 loan hacks that made a fortune off the mania of 2003-5.
April 25, 2007 — 8:16 am
Jeff Brown says:
Kris – Sadly, I think Brian’s correct. It could be that lenders are only equally responsible as the so called advisors.
I ran into this in my recent trip to Boise, but for many reasons, not just bad loans. People are hungry to buy homes and/or investments. Their problem is they can’t, for love or money, find the Kris Bergs of the world to advise them.
Some of the stories I heard at the seminars in Boise last weekend enraged me, though I did my best to ‘maintain’ as they told their stories. For the next few months I’ll be doing my best to clean up real estate’s version of oil spills.
Coincidentally, I wrote about it late last night.
This post of yours needed to be written. The wounds of these people will leave scars lasting far past the headlines of ‘Subprime Woes’.
You brought home the personal side. Great job.
April 25, 2007 — 8:27 am
Kris Berg says:
For the record, Brian and Jeff, I know you know that I know there is a difference in the lending industry, and I was by no means intending to imply that all are evil. Brian, you will recognize the scenario, in fact, because you were so kind to spend your Pro Bono hours with me on the phone suggesting possible ways to help them out of their mess. Further, I am (and have been) the first to admit that the real estate industry is rife with “professionals” who should be doing time – At least, in another career.
April 25, 2007 — 8:42 am
Brian Brady says:
“Further, I am (and have been) the first to admit that the real estate industry is rife with “professionals” who should be doing time – At least, in another career”
Amen. We should start with the joker that “advised” the E6 to load up on houses.
April 25, 2007 — 9:13 am
Jeff Brown says:
Or the agent selling so called pre-foreclosures to newbie investors, and he’s making more on the deals than they are. You just can’t make this stuff up.
April 25, 2007 — 10:19 am
Kris Berg says:
Brian, Unfortunately the “joker” was one and the same, and you know how I feel about the agent acting as lender.
April 25, 2007 — 11:02 am
Tim says:
“How in the hell do the “trusted advisors” who sold them these loan products sleep nights?” – Kris Berg
Very, very comfortably and laughing all the way to the bank–literally. Many stories.
-Tim
April 25, 2007 — 11:37 am
Teri Lussier says:
Kris, we are up to our eyeballs with foreclosures and short sales in Dayton. Even as a rookie, I’m apparently beginning to get a very minor name for myself as a go-to agent for short sales. Mostly because I’ll do them.
There are other factors involved in my market in addition to lending issues. We have job loss and an aging population so catastrophic illness combined with loss of a job is obviously devastating.
As a human, you listen a lot and you do what it takes to help out, but many of these situations could have been avoided. Multiple times I’ve seen my mentor sit down with clients and give them extensive, sometimes heated counseling on a loan, explaining why they need to find another lender. It’s a very small office I work with, and the ethics keep me here.
April 25, 2007 — 2:48 pm
Bill Williams says:
It isn’t just unscrupulous agents and brokers… the other side of this is the older “gentleman” who loudly berated me in a restaurant awhile back when I suggested there were times I would advise a “want-to” buyer that they were not financially ready to make a purchase…
“How DARE you judge that, and keep someone from the American dream of owning their own home!” he shouted.
It’s that kind of thinking that has promted many to suggest the ‘guvamint’ ought to bail all these people out (but that’s a different post, isn’t it).
April 25, 2007 — 2:49 pm
Kris Berg says:
Bill – Yeah, a different post indeed. And, you are right. The flip side is – Is it really our business? I say it is, because if we don’t address the affordability issue upfront, we are going to be addressing it at the back end when it has already caused much pain and everyone is in crisis-management mode.
Teri – I admire your bravery to take on the short sales. That is one tough way to cut your teeth. Also, it sounds like you picked the right office.
April 25, 2007 — 3:16 pm