Brian Brady wrote a great series of articles on how to obtain the best mortgage loan by shopping for a mortgage originator first, and then the loan second. His brilliant advice is a bit counter-intuitive but dead on. If you are considering shopping for a mortgage by using the internet, keep his advice in mind as you read the rest of this post.
My company primarily uses internet leads for new business. Of our approximately $12 million a month in loan originations $4 million comes from repeat and referral business and the rest comes from new business originated by internet leads. We spend about $30,000 per month on internet leads and get about 4 to 1 on our marketing dollar. I like to think we’ve figured out how to win business while competing with other banks. We use the big boys like LowerMyBills.com; but have stayed away from LendingTree.com — we don’t want to have to pay the lead provider off the HUD at closing.
There are a lot of misconceptions about internet leads both from the consumer and the industry side. We’ll focus on consumers in this post. For more in-depth information on the subject please read my Zillow Real Estate Guide article on 6 things you should know before shopping for an interest rate online. To summarize here the 6 things:
- Plan on getting a lot more than 4 calls from the 4 lenders that are supposed to compete for your business — get ready for a ton of calls.
- Plan on drinking from the mortgage information “fire hose” while different lenders pitch their products and expertise.
- Be prepared to spend some serious time on the phone.
- Don’t just go for the best up-front offer, keep some contingency offers in your back pocket.
- If an offer is too good to be true, it probably is.
- Know who you are working with.
But even before you read these 6 things, read Brian Brady’s post. When you shop online for an interest rate and fee quote INSTEAD of shopping for the mortgage professional first, you are opening up yourself to be the victim of bait and switch tactics. Think about this for a moment — if you don’t pick a loan originator that you are comfortable with first and just worry about fees and rate the unsavory loan officers are going to attract your interest. They have no scruples when it comes to quoting you something that is too good to be true. So by focusing on the factors you are worried most about you are pre-selecting those individuals that are most likely to lie to you. You probably will cast aside the honest individuals as “too expensive” or having an uncompetitive interest rate. When you demand no closing costs or the lowest rate first you are asking originators to stretch and over-promise to win your business. This often results in the all-to-familiar under-deliver when it comes time to sign your loan documents.
If instead you shop for your mortgage professional first and then start talking mortgage programs with the people you feel comfortable you’ve chosen to conduct business with you will end up with a good deal that is realistic. Plus it will come from someone providing honest service. The best way to ensure you’re getting a good loan is to ensure you’re working with a good person first.
If you choose the route of going for the lowest closing costs and best interest rate here are some of the problems you’ll run in to:
- Bait and switch — rate, fees, terms all change from GFE to close
- Non-disclosure — loan originators telling you what they are offering with out providing proper up-front GFEs and other disclosures
- Property over-valuation — originators inflating your property value to push down the quoted rate
- Rate buy downs — excess fees charged as discount points paid to the lender to get you the lowest rate possible
- Short-locks — loan originators locking your loan for 15 days to improve their offered pricing; then reneging on the offer when the lock expires early
- Adjustable products pitched as fixed loans — ARMs and negative amortizing loans pitched as fixed rate products
By choosing the person first you should be able to alleviate many of the above problems that can arise by simply focusing on the wrong aspects of the transaction at the very outset. While the tag “banks compete, you win” is catchy, it’s also very dangerous. Let the originators compete based on their personal and professional merits and qualifications first — then bring the products in to equation.
Brian Brady says:
Shopping originators is the way to go. There are so many factors that come into play. mortgages have become a temporary financial instrument these past 3-4 years for good reasons:
1- This is not our grandfather’s economy. No more pensions or social security checks for those under 50.
2- Real estate is becoming a viable investment for the middle-class family as a retirement planing asset.
Borrowers risk the relationship with the right originator when they glean information from her and jump at a loan that is $488 dollars less on the GFE (I’ve had that happen). I’ve seen that $488 mistake turn into hundreds of thousands in lost opportunity.
April 19, 2007 — 8:28 am
Dan Green says:
As Brian points out, the total cost of a loan is often much different from what you see on a Good Faith Estimate.
Start by finding loan officers with whom you feel comfortable and THEN start your comparisons.
April 19, 2007 — 11:04 am
Gina says:
Those are great tips in shopping for an interest rate online. I guess time is important to almost all transactions. This only shows how badly we are in need of something.
April 19, 2007 — 11:52 pm
Paul Knag says:
Morgan, congratulations on your 4-1 ROI I am sure this perspective is part of why you have been successful warming up cold internet prospects. My experience is that hyper-local focus on internet leads has achieved the best results, as a local conversation facilitates the trust building.
April 20, 2007 — 10:25 pm
John.Malichky@LendingTree.com says:
It sounds like you know some knowledge of LendingTree but only about half of the story. Maybe you have been on the “4 competing brokers side” and didn’t like having to outpromise the other 3 guys you were competing with, I don’t know….
Let someone who works at LendingTree like myself explain how it works to everyone:
In addition to the “brokers competing” side you mentioned, people online also have another option now. LendingTree has a division that funds loans itself called LendingTree Loans. Only one “point person” who works for LendingTree Loans calls the applicant and sorts through the programs set up by the banks and investors we work with.
So borrowers can choose to have 4 brokers compete, or have 1 mortgage banker from LendingTree Loans call them and have the banks compete on the secondary market for the loan set up to their guidelines. If someone chooses the 1 mortgage banker option, then a single 10 minute phone call should be enough to give you an idea of where you stand and approximate rates. A paystub and and a purchase agreement will get you a guaranteed lock rate in writing.
Either way, LendingTree is a great option for someone to start with depending on their needs/preferences. Since LendingTree Loans is a direct lender on myside of the company, there are also never any hefty “origination points” which we all know goes straight to the broker’s commission – which can be anywhere from $1,000 to $30,000 per loan. LendingTree Loans mortgage bankers like myself never have any origination points and only make about $500 per loan but make up for the difference with volume.
So as al alternative, if anyone would like to contact an HONEST, Christian, straight-shooting mortage banker with a reputable company funding 5,000 loans a month, feel free to give me a call or shoot me an email.
Best regards,
John Malichky
LendingTree Loans
(949) 231-6598
john.malichky@lendingtree.com
April 21, 2007 — 1:30 pm
Mike says:
Morgan,
What does LowerMyBills charge for leads?
April 22, 2007 — 12:39 am
Morgan Brown says:
John,
I am quite familiar with how LendingTree works on both sides. For those of you that don’t know, LendingTree acquired a company called Home Loan Center here in Irvine, CA that originates loans from LendingTree leads (as described above by John). I have many friends that work at Home Loan Center and I am familiar with their lock-fee guarantee and their commission payout structure/scorecard/matrix which focuses more on units rather than fees collected. I do like HLC’s ability to with a $600 up-front commitment guarantee a locked rate that will never change. That is a nice touch to those that can afford the upfront fee.
I do question how some at HLC earn their business as I have been given several of the sales scripts from Home Loan Center that I find rather amusing and high pressure but I digress. HLC is like any other lender with pros and cons, they are a good company and they do nice things for the community.
April 22, 2007 — 12:54 am
Morgan Brown says:
Mike,
LowerMyBills leads range in price based on the following criteria: state, credit range, LTV, loan purpose, loan amount, and some of LMBs different product types. The ranges are quite wide.
The most expensive lead that my company buys is a California, Fair Credit, 125K+ loan amount, refinance lead. We pay ~ $58 for those. The cheapest lead we buy is a California home purchase lead in California with Excellent credit. For those we pay around ~ $12.
They can also be anywhere in between.
April 22, 2007 — 12:57 am
Morgan Brown says:
Mike,
LowermyBills lead charges range based on the following factors: state, credit rating, LTV, loan purpose, loan amount, LMB product type (they have several). There may be more but those are the ones I am familiar with.
They are all over the map. My most expensive lead is a California fair credit refinance with a loan amount of over $125K and an LTV of less than 90%. These are ~ $58 a piece.
The cheapest lead I get is a California excellent credit home purchase in zip codes 949, 714, 619 and 858. Those are ~ $12.
And they are everywhere in between. The most expensive tend to be in the states with the most activity like California and Florida.
April 22, 2007 — 1:28 am
Marie says:
I also agree with the things we should know before shopping for an interest rate online. It’s only necessary to be prepared and dedicated if we want what is best.
April 22, 2007 — 7:12 pm
Mike says:
Morgan,
Quick follow-up on the LMB leads. What is their policy on how many times each lead may be sold? Someone told me some of the lead sellers are now selling the same lead up to 5 times.
Thanks
April 24, 2007 — 1:29 pm
Jason Morgan says:
As an agent and manager of LendingTree I like to shed some light on the real LendingTree. First of all the ceo was a great ceo but unfortunately he is no longer with us. Anthony was a great leader and always cared about agents and managers. We were on of the highest paid in the industry. Unfortunately that has changed in the last few years. HLC was the greatest thing until recently. If you look at both of those companies they were planned to come together once LendingTree model was established. Now on the 4 real offers. Its bs, its not real there are are no real 4 banks that are competeing. We have been trained to tell our borrowers that each quote is comming in when we know that we want to tell them what we want to sell them. Its suprising that LendingTree has gotten away with this. With IACI taking over company cares of no one but investors. We used to be catered to. Gone are the days when we used to be served great food, great coffee and great pay checks. Business just not there. I went from doing 24 loans to doing 5 loans a month. At the moment im looking to just sit the cycle out because no matter where you go it will be the same thing. As for the leads…LendingTree keeps majority of the good leads for the company now so it serves very little purpose to even try getting LendingTree leads. The problem is not just us, the problem is nationwide. I know of so many folks who are hardly doing one to two loans every few months. With rates and marketing changes, along with bank guidelines changing its not the same industry. If anyone is doing more then 4 loans a month please let me know I would join them in a heart beat. Like I said I plan to take few years off.
June 13, 2007 — 4:28 am
Brian Brady says:
Wow! Thanks for the honest revelation, Jason.
“If anyone is doing more then 4 loans a month please let me know I would join them in a heart beat”
Contact the author.
June 13, 2007 — 8:11 am