Why aren’t you a mentor? Most experienced agents aren’t. And no, answering a question or two from a neophyte doesn’t make you a mentor. It means you weren’t too busy and were in the mood to look magnanimous. Mentoring is a serious missing piece of the real estate puzzle. It is probably a major factor in the huge turnover we see in the business every year, whether it was a boom or bust year.
Why is that?
If you’re an agent or broker, what was your first year like? Did you set the world on fire? Did you meet all your goals and make a name for yourself as a rookie? Not likely.
My first year I made about $3K or so. Of course the median price then was about $19K or so. I was a full time college student working weekends and a few hours before or after class during the week. But I was mentored and a half. π
By the time I received notice from the state I’d passed my licensing test, I’d been attending seminars for two years, 90% of which were attended by me, myself, and I. The forms were old hat for me before I took the state test. I was grilled by Dad and his general manager, Wally Porter about all the finer points of being an agent.
Sometimes Dad would actually let me tag along when he took listings. There was no presentation. He spoke, they listened, they signed. For a naive teenager it looked the world to me like I’d be driving a Lincoln in no time flat.
The key to all the mentoring I received was how generously it was given. There were probably at least ten experienced agents/brokers who took the time to pass on their experience and to ensure I actually understood them. They taught me the things you just can’t learn in school. They also invariably reminded me that I’d no doubt be in the business long term and would have the obligation to do for others what they so graciously were doing for me.
What were the results of all their mentoring? Who really knows? I can tell you stories in which I was able to use what I was taught — stories in which the endings were mostly happy. For instance, I listed a FSBO the first day on the job. How? I just did what Wally told me to do. After all he wouldn’t lie to me would he? Of course not. It’s only fair to mention that listing wasn’t worth the ink it took to make it a contract. But it was a listing, and I was jazzed as only a young man can be on his first day on the job.
My boss (Wally) later that week called the sellers of that property to ask them their thoughts on me as an agent. Wally didn’t convey this conversation to me until a year after I opened my own firm, back in 1977. They said, and I’m paraphrasing like crazy here, “That young man had more confidence and enthusiasm than the three agents who came before him combined. And that’s why we listed with him.”
Where do you think that confidence and enthusiasm came from? It came from the men and women who took the time to get me up to speed. Guys like Russ Stowell, Ray Clancy, Lew and Lorraine Ditler, Dick Hall, Wally Porter, Sali Brown, Helen Stuart, Clyde Neal, and of course Dad. But there were more, many more. I just can’t recall their names.
And that’s my point. Back in the day, when folks were more concerned with quality than quantity, mentoring the new guy was part of the job description. Sadly, it’s pretty apparent these days are far different. It’s every agent for themselves for the most part. And that’s shameful. It’s a black mark for the industry as a whole.
I’ve been blessed by my experience mentoring young people. I’m proud to say that so far I’ve taken several ‘virgin’ agents and moved them into the main stream as long term successful producers. Sometimes the satisfaction received from that eclipses the financial success with which I’ve been blessed. There’s nothing like seeing the bird leave the nest, flying away with confidence, knowing you had something to do with it.
Who is in your office in need of a little experience, some encouragement, a few words of wisdom, and a glimpse into a successful future? Though I always profusely thanked those who helped me, I still wish sometimes I could thank them just one more time.
The responsibility, as the wheel keeps turning, to pass on what they taught, weighs on me. It’s why I stop what I’m doing when a young stranger, calls me for advice from another region. Or a young man from another country recently moved to Canada calls out of the blue, asking how to get started. I love when that happens. I get to return the favor.
Who have you helped lately?
Chris Lengquist says:
Great post. This is a soap box I implore you to stay on.
Randy Lindemuth of Scott Douglas Realty, Tulsa, OK, is they man responsible for where I am today. He helped me when he didn’t have to. To this day we still speak by phone about every 3-4 weeks just so I can say “thanks” and to pick his brain further. I can only hope someone feels the same about my efforts towards them by the time I’m done.
March 7, 2007 — 10:32 am
Jim Frey says:
Thank you Jeff. I couldn’t agree with you more. I come from 20 years in the Hospitality field & recent Real Estate newbie….I have 2 in my present office & one great friend (mentor/sponsor)…boy, do I listen. If I want to be successful – I follow the leaders (winners).
March 7, 2007 — 11:48 am
Daniel Rothamel says:
Luckily, with people like you, Jeff, and the rest of the BloodHoundBlog Gang, coupled with the gracious folks of the RE.net blogosphere, I feel like I have more than one mentor. Keep up the good work!
March 7, 2007 — 12:47 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Thanks Chris, I know how you fee. We owe so much to those guys who so selflessly gave of their time.
March 7, 2007 — 1:07 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Jim – Sounds like you’re pretty well taken care of.
Daniel – Thanks! The Dog Pound is generally a pretty solid source, I agree.
Do you find yourself being sought after on the court by new refs?
March 7, 2007 — 1:39 pm
David Williams says:
Great article Jeff and I couldn’t agree more. I’m a new agent with about 6 mths experience so far and I tell ya, it’s a hard business when no one takes you under their wing to show you the ropes. In fairness I am a part time Realtor at the moment and some of the agents I work with will answer questions when I ask. But we all know there is a huge difference in answering questions and taking someone under your wing and showing them the ropes. I get most of my knowledge from my hard work at home on late nights, reading blogs from great people like yourself. Thank you for the things you, and all the “dog pound” do.
Sergeant Real Estate
March 7, 2007 — 8:52 pm
Jeff Brown says:
David – Thank you very much for the kind words. I strongly recommend you either attend or listen to the podcast of Russell Shaw’s March 13th seminar. It’s free either way, and you’ll be learning from a guy who has impressed me no end. And I don’t impress easily. π
I’ll leave you with something Dad used to say a lot: “I’ve found that the harder I work, the luckier I get.”
March 7, 2007 — 9:13 pm
Phil Hoover says:
Hi Jeff ~
Terrific post and kudos to you for helping the new kids on the block.
Unfortunately, I no longer possess the patience to do it again.
I can claim one incredible success mentoring Jerry Hall, a new agent who became one of my best friends in Grass Valley, CA.
But, I have tried mentoring two new agents in the past three years with dismal outcomes.
Why?
Because the agents I chose possessed meager work ethic and didn’t believe the details mattered.
One even told me that I was nuts to think she would follow up on website leads on weekends because that was her time to relax! π
I fed each of them 140+ good leads over a six-week period and they blew all of them (a statistical impossibility!) by not responding promptly.
I probably blew around $40-50k on each of them, based upon lost sales and expenses.
I think successful mentoring requires a rare match of an experienced broker/agent who’s willing to share and a new agent who is hungry and willing to take direction in order to make it work.
I have learned that I work best by myself.
These days, when I want to conduct a staff meeting, I simply talk to myself while driving on Eagle Road π
March 7, 2007 — 9:26 pm
Greg Swann says:
I’ve had two brokers, and I had no mentoring from either, nor from any other agents. In fairness, I am so pig-headed that I wanted to reinvent every wheel, anyway. Poor Cathleen is the dubious beneficiary of whatever mentoring I do, which for some reason taxes her of romantic interest in me on vigorous training days. Go figure.
Here’s my two cents, though: The people who taught me the most about getting out of jams, when I started, were lenders and escrow officers. I don’t take marketing stuff. Too much like kickbacks. But the information vendors have shared over the years is beyond price.
March 7, 2007 — 10:42 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Phil – I’ve had the same experience more than once. So many think real estate is a 30 hour a week job paying six figures. π
You produced your winner in CA. Keep enjoying your staff meetings. Just don’t lose any arguments.
Greg – You bring up an excellent point that I totally blew. One of the biggest lessons I learned was from an escrow officer who made a call to a lender, acting as my assistant. She saved a deal for me – and she explained how she did it in rich detail. Her price? I had to take her daughter out on a double date to the movies. No hanky-panky either. π Turns out her daughter and I went to the same elementary school in Manhattan Beach!
I hope you don’t mentor Cathleen too many consecutive days. π
March 7, 2007 — 11:18 pm
Phil Hoover says:
Your reply makes me wonder about my staff meetings while driving on Eagle Road.
Is it really talking to yourself if you don’t answer? π
March 8, 2007 — 8:05 am
Jeff Brown says:
Phil – That reminds me of a retired submariner who used to work for Dad. I forget his job there, but it resulted in much time alone. He said talking to himself was an every day thing, but he had rules.
He could talk, he could answer, and he could even get into an argument. He just couldn’t lose an argument with himself. π
March 8, 2007 — 8:23 am
Chris says:
As a new agent/investor I have been extremly lucky to come across a couple mentors. As soon as I am able to I will pass the knowledge and help along.
March 8, 2007 — 8:22 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Chris – It’s that attitude that will ultimately bring our industry to the level it should be.
March 8, 2007 — 8:49 pm
Brian Brady says:
Wow! At the risk of sounding like an Oscar speech, I’m grateful to: Papa Joe for sales training, Pat McCartney for underwriting training, Wally Blazyck for hard money training, and Ron Feinberg for business training.
Now, the $64,000 question…
How do we get Jeff Brown to pull a Russell Shaw for the misguided industry folk in San Diego?
March 8, 2007 — 9:36 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Brian – What Russ and I do are like night and day. He has learned to duplicate a dance reminiscent of Swan Lake. And he makes it look easy because there’s nothing he does that he doesn’t know backwards, forwards, and inside out. I on hand have founded my success upon a totally different foundational recipe.
Solid analytical skill, combined with vision, and mixed liberally with (he says in the most delicate PC fashion) spherical fortitude is my recipe. When you can’t teach two out of three of the ingredients, seminars are out of the question.
Fortunately my son possesses those two ingredients. He’s about 70% of the way to being a top analyst.
So me showing a bunch of agents how to analyze income property would be more boring than watching Donald Duck brush his teeth. π
March 8, 2007 — 9:59 pm
Brian Brady says:
Let’s have lunch, Jeff. To quote my favorite bawld guy, “there may be more than one way to skin the cat”
March 8, 2007 — 11:22 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Come on over – I’ll make you a sandwich. π
March 8, 2007 — 11:25 pm
David Ditler says:
Dear Mr. Brown,
I am the grandson of Lew and Lorraine Ditler and it brought back some wonderful memories when I saw your mention of them as mentors. I cherish the moments that I spent with them and what I learned from them.
Best Regards,
David Ditler
April 6, 2007 — 5:21 pm
Jeff Brown says:
David,
Your grandparents, especially Lew, were among the last of what I call the ‘Old Guard’ of the business. They operated more or less the same way in the 70’s as they did many years before. They knew exactly what they were doing at all times. When I think of professional, I often think of them.
I remember many time when Lew had finished a round of golf with my dad and many of their friends at Cottonwood, I’d come by for some great french fries, and to hear all of those real estate ‘grandpas’ talk. I learned many lessons by just eating my fries and listening.
I’m glad my memories could job some of yours.
Best wishes,
Jeff Brown
April 6, 2007 — 5:38 pm
LouisvilleProperties says:
Nice post Jeff
LouisvilleProperties
May 8, 2007 — 12:11 pm
Barbara Ditler-Gelber says:
Hello Mr. Brown,
I just now came across your article. It definitely reminded me of my grandparents, Lew and Lorraine Ditler. They were so professional, and they definitely knew what they were doing at all times. I hope to follow in their footsteps someday soon. I wish I would have decided on this profession earlier on in my life, and it would have been nice to learn from them as well. I also cherish the moments that I spent with them. Everyonce in a while, I run across someone who knew both of them, but today, their are fewer and fewer of these people. Thank you so much for your reminder of a beautiful past.
January 15, 2008 — 4:20 pm
Jeff Brown says:
First Barbara, anyone sporting the Ditler name calls me Jeff. Heck, on a good day, your grandpa called me a lot worse. π
You have real estate in your DNA. You’ll do well. I’m so glad to have given you a pleasant memory.
January 15, 2008 — 9:05 pm