Last Sunday’s New York Times featured an article about a foreclosure caravan in South Florida. It was the usual NYT sob story, but what popped out at me was the real estate agent. All through the piece he is arm-twisting his victims, and in several places his is plainly guilty of unsolicited — and very likely ill-advised — financial planning.
This morning on ActiveRain I read a post from an agent essentially boasting that he blacklists certain agents listings, keeping them from his buyer clients so that he won’t have to deal with practitioners of whom he disapproves.
I’ve been a real estate broker since October of 2005. If you’ve ever wondered why we don’t have agents, those two examples are perfectly illustrative. Presumably both of these Realtors are acceptable to their own brokers, but I would sever both of them in a heartbeat. They are each one of them a lawsuit waiting to happen, and I could not be rid of either one of them quickly enough.
Except that I will probably never have this problem, because, even when we do start to recruit agents, I will never have anything to do with people who would even think of putting their own interests ahead of the client’s.
You may at this point want to protest that I am being too harsh, but my belief is that Caesar’s wife must be above reproach. Never-been-sued is not a mark of pride. What we want is to achieve a level of rigor and candor in the work we do such that there is no room in our clients’ mind for even an implied accusation. We will have done our jobs the way I want them done when there is no possibility of even a hint of a doubt that we would ever serve our own interests at the expense of the interests of the people we work for.
People here and elsewhere have written a lot about the ideal post-Web-2.0 real estate brokerage. I’ve not participated in those discussions, because it’s not something I’m interested in. I don’t care how someone is going to make a brokerage of 10 or 100 or 1,000 agents work. I don’t want a brokerage like that. I don’t know that we will ever have independent agents, out in the world trolling for business — out, that is, from underneath my big fat thumb.
For now what I want is a very strong team built around the work we are already doing. I think we will probably grow to five people this year, and we’re going to do it using the DISC system, which I talked about last week, because DISC tells me where we are strong, right now, and where we are dangerously weak.
Here’s a nice rundown of the DISC personality types from Wikipedia:
- Dominance: People who score high in the intensity of the “D” styles factor are very active in dealing with problems and challenges, while low “D” scores are people who want to do more research before committing to a decision. High “D” people are described as demanding, forceful, egocentric, strong willed, driving, determined, ambitious, aggressive, and pioneering. Low D scores describe those who are conservative, low keyed, cooperative, calculating, undemanding, cautious, mild, agreeable, modest and peaceful.
Influence: People with high “I” scores influence others through talking and activity and tend to be emotional. They are described as convincing, magnetic, political, enthusiastic, persuasive, warm, demonstrative, trusting, and optimistic. Those with low “I” scores influence more by data and facts, and not with feelings. They are described as reflective, factual, calculating, skeptical, logical, suspicious, matter of fact, pessimistic, and critical.
Steadiness: People with high “S” styles scores want a steady pace, security, and do not like sudden change. High “S” individuals are calm, relaxed, patient, possessive, predictable, deliberate, stable, consistent, and tend to be unemotional and poker faced. Low “S” intensity scores are those who like change and variety. People with low “S” scores are described as restless, demonstrative, impatient, eager, or even impulsive.
Conscientious: People with high “C” styles adhere to rules, regulations, and structure. They like to do quality work and do it right the first time. High “C” people are careful, cautious, exacting, neat, systematic, diplomatic, accurate, and tactful. Those with low “C” scores challenge the rules and want independence and are described as self-willed, stubborn, opinionated, unsystematic, arbitrary, and careless with details.
Right now BloodhoundRealty.com looks like this, with our tasks shown in the order or relative time-commitment:
Greg Swann, Di, investor-buyers, buyers, print and on-line promotion, investor-sellers.
Cathleen Collins, Sd, big-ticket sellers, staging, photography, buyers.
What’s missing in a big, bad, obvious kind of way?
We have no C in the mix, really essentially none between the two of us. We can both do C-like stuff, but we don’t like it, we’re not good at it, and, in consequence, that kind of work does not get done quickly or satisfactorily.
We are what we are. I don’t hate washing a big sink full of dishes, but I will almost never was a single dish. Big jobs are for D’s. Little jobs are for later — when they’ve had a chance to grow into big jobs.
So what we need more than anything, and I mean right away, is a high-C. We need a high-C for CRM, for Transaction Management, for the back-end on short sales, for management of our vast and ever-growing web presence — for everything! I love to convert new business, but I hate schlepping around dozens of little scraps of paper, upon which I’ve scribbled almost-instantly-forgotten notes and details. We need someone who really likes going to the office supplies store — and knows what to do with all that stuff.
With emphasis: If you are a high-C assistant or virtual assistant, we need you now. Email me and we’ll get the discussion started.
What next? As I mentioned in passing at Christmas, I want to put an assistant in my car with me, as I traverse the Valley of the Sun. I’m thinking I want a Dc, if such a thing exists, or a Cd. I want someone who can hammer out a lot of detail work, but who can also handle showings if we need to double-book. We will have investors buying in bulk this year, and I want to have someone with me who can stay behind in the car writing contracts and ironing out details while I’m showing, or, alternatively, preview properties while I am on the phone making rain.
For Cathleen, I want an Id or a Di, I think, someone who can help her with the endless visual details and quality issues that go into selling high-end real estate. Much of what she is doing now — such as promoting our listings on all the many RealtyBot sites — can either be handled by the back-office High-C or by software, but I want for her to have help with the staging and photography. I want for her to have what she needs to list one $500,000+ home a week.
Except for the high-C, everyone is a photographer. We already have photos from hundreds — maybe thousands? — of homes, but what I want, going forward, is for us to have a complete photographic record of every home we set foot in. With engenu pages for every one of them, all archived in a database so that we can share those photos on demand — which will be the high-C’s contribution to our archival efforts.
Again, except for the high-C, everyone will do open houses, with the bulk of that burden falling on Cathleen and her assistant. And when any of us have spare time, we’ll be out taking pictures of other Realtor’s high-end listings, both to add to our archives to extend our reach to buyers searching for those kinds of homes.
So: Two questions: In your opinion, am I thinking about this the right way? I know I am going to deprive our agents of a lot of the independence common to new licensees, but, in exchange, we’ll be training them in our way of working and providing a steady income from the outset. Is there something I’m missing in the way I’m thinking about setting this up?
And: How do I pay these folks? We will never have a 1040 employee, so hourly is only possible for a virtual assistant, someone with other sources of income. What I’ve been thinking about is a split on every deal we close while a particular licensee is under our roof. You could make money on your first day, but the money will stop on your last day. Meanwhile, we don’t have to worry about who worked on what. Does that make sense? If it does, how big is the split?
I want this now. We’ll add the high-C as soon as we can find someone, but I want every piece of this team in place as soon as we can get it done. I think five Bloodhounds on the trail can tear this town up.
Teri Lussier says:
>’m thinking I want a Dc,
I’m no expert (which never stops me) but I believe you are going to have a difficult time getting another D to work with/for you that closely. You could put them in a car with Cathy, easy, and you could put them in a car with you, but only for so long.
D is for Driven. As in Away, particularly in job situations, and particularly if you want them to stay under your big fat thumb for any length of time. Alpha issues.
just my .02.
January 6, 2010 — 3:31 pm
Greg Swann says:
> I believe you are going to have a difficult time getting another D to work with/for you that closely.
Good point. That’s worth watching. The best bosses I’ve ever had have been high-D’s, but no one who is not a D would call them good bosses. More like ball-busting pricks. But if you can shut up and take it, you learn and grow a hell of a lot faster than you ever would with good-guy bosses — mind-numbing pussies, as it were.
But still… I’m going to need someone who can get a lot done and who can switch gears on the fly. This could take some work.
January 6, 2010 — 4:39 pm
Keahi Pelayo says:
You are smart to stay away from 1040 employees.
Aloha,
Keahi
January 6, 2010 — 5:48 pm
Greg Swann says:
> You are smart to stay away from 1040 employees.
Employment law was enough to scare us away, but Obamacare will just make things worth. I predict that GrasshopperCare will kill 1040 employment in small businesses. The good news is, we should have gray markets like we haven’t seen since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
January 6, 2010 — 5:57 pm
Teri Lussier says:
>The best bosses I’ve ever had have been high-D’s,
There it is. I agree, btw, but Realtors are often here because we love not having bosses. Obviously anyone who works with you would have to have no doubt about who is the boss. Which you would make crystal clear, I’ve no doubt.
Is that chafing to a D?
It would work if they were absolutely committed to all the same ideals. Another obvious perhaps, but that might be the big picture you’d all have to keep in mind during the times you find yourselves plotting how to push each other out of the moving car. So to speak.
January 6, 2010 — 6:06 pm
Thomas Johnson says:
I think I would start with a V assistant. We had a good experience at Odesk.com for some research stuff. Dipping the toe in the outsourcing pool. It may be contrary to your creed, but there are many many Top Producer capable VA’s out there. I am thinking that your can simply execute faster with a known software package where your VA has little to no learning curve. A TP VA is also scalable. As long as you hire out of state for obvious security reasons.
By the way, I was walking my gang and this came on our public radio right after your last DISCo article. It seems we have had DISCos for a couple millenia.
http://uh.edu/engines/epi2564.htm
January 6, 2010 — 8:03 pm
jay says:
I’ll never forget interviewing for a team member position at one of the most dominant teams in the country–the Debbie Dogrul team of Long and Foster in Northern Virginia. After all I saw that her team members were earning $100,000+ which at the time seemed like money.
After taking the DISC test in her office as part of the application it was determined that I was too ambitious to work on her team. Based on some of what she had told me in the interview I was already suspecting as much that she only wanted worker bees to follow her program & systems.
Fast forward and now I’m the team leader for 5 selling agents (buyer agents) and I myself am overwhelmingly a selling agent too. This type of team is rather newish to the scene thanks to online BIG lead generation that supports it.
But the point is the DISC software can be worth investing in for team leaders, but should it stop you from hiring somebody who is very “D”ish? Or can one adjust their management style and policies for that individual team member and having a working relationship with both of them that works for both of you.
Either way can work I’d say.
January 7, 2010 — 6:29 am
Michelle DeRepentigny says:
I’ve been using DISC for all hires since 1999 or so and in all that time I’ve only had one test out as a Dc, she was a great asistant but she questioned everything I wanted done, she always had a response, which really grated on my nerves being a High D myself.
She has made a much better agent than assistant. I would probably never hire another high D as an assistant, I prefer a Cs
January 7, 2010 — 10:20 am
Jeff Brown says:
Greg — Geez, now it appears you and I have much more in common than I’d known.
For what it’s worth, I’ve had three full time assistants at once, and they were pretty much S’s, with on C. That model, just you and Cathleen with multiple assistants was my model, and remains so now. That setup allowed me to be in the top 5 in a 150 agent office, with only teams surpassing my production.
I’ve never had an employee who didn’t share my DNA. 🙂 They’ve always been paid per transaction as independent contractors. One was a coordinator. One was a sort of traffic cop, mini-fireman, follow-up person, the other was my ‘hatchet man’ — did much dirty work, last minute emergencies, a kinda sorta Guido Dude. 🙂
You’re gonna absolutely kick ass beyond imagination.
January 7, 2010 — 11:59 am
Greg Swann says:
Very cool. I’m hearing from a lot of folks who are bigger than us. So: How do you pay your assistants? I’m interested in actual numbers/percentages, so email if you feel you need to.
January 7, 2010 — 12:25 pm
John Kalinowski says:
Jeff – “They’ve always been paid per transaction as independent contractors” – can this be done if they are not licensed agents? I know people do it, but aren’t you technically paying a portion of a real estate commission to a non-licensed person, which is illegal (at least in Ohio)? I’d like to start doing this myself this year, but it seems like it’s against the rules. If they’re not licensed, can you pay them as independent contractors without getting in trouble with Uncle Sam? Maybe someone with accounting expertise can chime in.
January 7, 2010 — 12:39 pm
Brad Andersohn says:
Hey Greg – it’s nice to have you reading and visiting ActiveRain. Regardless of what you read from the members there, we appreciate your visits and the fact that you still drop in from time to time. Thanks. 🙂
January 7, 2010 — 12:43 pm
Greg Swann says:
> we appreciate your visits and the fact that you still drop in from time to time.
It’s the daily newsletter. I beat you guys up about it last February in Seattle, but I read it every day and click through if something is of interest to me. I may comment on one out of ten that I read, but many of the posts I read are very informative even if I don’t speak up. I think maybe Jessica Horton and I might be raining on everyone else’s Rain, but it remains that I learn a lot by reading Active Rain. Good on ya.
January 7, 2010 — 12:50 pm
Jeff Brown says:
Greg — The TC got $300/side, $500 for double-ends. 🙂 My other two assistants split 10% of each transaction. Back in those days the typical transaction was an exchange, with average total commissions of about $20K +/-.
John — The only problem would be if they were doing tasks for which the state requires a license. My chief ‘fireman’ was indeed licensed. Most TCs aren’t licensed, but are paid from commissions routinely. If the accounting is the only problem, I imagine, (not sure) that paying an independent contractor from your own biz account would work. The key is that they don’t do ‘licensed’ work. Make sense?
January 7, 2010 — 1:15 pm
John Kalinowski says:
Makes sense Jeff. Thanks! The part that tripped me up with paying a non-licensed assistant as an independent contract came from a discussion I had with my accountant. He said that you could possibly get into trouble if they can show that you were requiring the assistant to work specific hours, and if you control exactly what they do.
The IRS has a list of common law rules on their site that help determine whether a person is considered an employee or an IC. From reading their rules it sounds like you couldn’t pay a non-licensed person as an IC if you are requiring them to work specific days and hours.
Could be my wife is right, and I worry too much…
January 7, 2010 — 1:35 pm
Jeff Brown says:
I think they’re both right, John. Real estate has walked the employee/contractor high wire for decades. My marching orders were couched in terms of transactions’ needs, not hours etc. Even a building contractor is told what to do though.
January 7, 2010 — 1:43 pm
John Kalinowski says:
Good points Jeff. Thanks!
January 7, 2010 — 1:50 pm