A couple of thoughts about this article from the New York Times:
- It’s true. Anecdotally, I’d have to say that depending on the day, anywhere from 30-50% of the people who I discuss refinancing with are either not able to do it because their income has fallen or because property values have dropped. Now wait, you’re probably thinking, “I thought that the government was allowing people to refinance even if their mortgage was over 100% of the value of their property. They are, but there are a couple of caveats to that:
- The loan has to be with either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac and a substantial portion of the market isn’t with either one of those. If you want to find out whether your loan is with either one of them, check Fannie Mae Loans or check Freddie Mac Loans to find out.
- If you have a second mortgage/home equity line of credit on your house and the combined balance of the two loans exceeds 105% of the value of your home (but is less than 125%) then you can still refinance, but the pricing adjustments that Fannie and Freddie charge are so extensive that unless your interest rate is over 6%, it’s probably not worth refinancing.
- If you are like a LOT of people in today’s economy, your credit score isn’t quite as high as it used to be. It might be because you’ve had struggles to make some payments on time, it might be because you’ve had some of the credit lines cut on some of your credit cards (thereby lowering your credit scores because you’ve got too much of your available credit tied up), it might be a variety of reasons. But the end result is the same. In order to get the best possible rate, you need to have either:
- A 5% equity position in your house and no second mortgage or
- A first mortgage of no more than 80% of the value of the house and a combined loan to value (including second mortgage) of no more than 90%
- AND a credit score of 740 or higher.
Ask yourself, if the majority of markets in the country have dropped in excess of 20%, how many people are able to meet those guidelines?
Part of the reason that this is happening is because Fannie and Freddie are losing not only their shirts but pretty much everything else too. So they have no choice but to tighten up their guidelines. However the question does come up whether they are closing the barn door after the horses have left the county…..
There is a huge economic impact – if we can’t refinance someone’s house, we can’t make their payments cheaper. That means they can’t use that money to either pay off their debts, spend at McDonalds or save for a rainy day.
So what’s the solution? A couple of thoughts:
- We’re in an extremely overleveraged situation right now. When property values were still going up, it wasn’t as big of an issue because liquidation was always an option. If you bought too much house, you could sell it and almost always be “guaranteed” to at least get your initial investment out. Not so much any more.
- Loan modifications don’t seem to be working. Why not? Two main reasons: 1) They are not offering substantial enough savings on a monthly basis for people to stay “on top” financially or 2) The borrower is so "underwater” in their financial situation that it’s not a substantial enough situation where they can see their way out of the problems.
- We need to face the fact that there’s still a substantial amount of bad debt out there. There are a lot of mortgages that are “under water” and there are a lot of people who have loans that they can’t pay.
So what am I proposing? Here’s an idea (I’ll call it the deferred equity proposal):
- All homeowners with a mortgage against their home (primary residences only) would receive a 20% principal reduction in their mortgage along with a reduction in their monthly payment. Yes, I said “ALL.”
- They would need to sign a second mortgage with their existing mortgage holder for that 20%. The second mortgage would need to be paid upon the sale of their existing home unless the seller buys another home and closes within 2 business days of the closing on the sale of the existing home. The second mortgage would automatically become a prior lien to any other second mortgage that was filed prior to implementation of this policy.
- The mortgage is transferable to a new home if the owner decides to sell. So, you have a $40,000 “new second” on your home, you can use that as the downpayment for a new home.
- All guidelines for refinancing would acknowledge this 2nd mortgage but it would be viewed as equity and would enable many more people to refinance.
- For every year that the owner remains a homeowner (rather than reverting to renting), 4% of the original balance would be forgiven. So, in 5 years, the homeowner who is able to remain a homeowner will have a substantial amount of additional equity. That would provide a strong incentive for people to remain in their homes and keep making payments.
- Yes, 20% of the value of the mortgage backed securities would “disappear” but I honestly don’t think that it would make that big of a difference in the value of those securities (and the corresponding value of Fannie, Freddie and FHA). Let’s look at it this way, if 20% of the loan balances goes away but the rest of the portfolio performs better, isn’t that going to actually make them worth more? I’ve heard estimates of mortgage backed securities portfolios selling for 40 to 60 cents on a dollar. If it was performing better, don’t you think it would be worth at least comparable amounts, even if it was 20% smaller?
What does this actually accomplish? A couple of things:
- Immediate payment relief for everyone in the country who has a mortgage (well, not immediate because it will take a while to accomplish).
- A very strong financial incentive for people to stay as homeowners.
- Provide a substantial additional boost to the economy because thousands of additional homeowners would now be able to refinance and generate additional cash flow opportunities that they wouldn’t have had otherwise.
- Many people who aren’t able to move now due to a lack of equity would be able to move – thus spurring the housing market.
This is obviously a 30,000 ft view, but tell me. What am I missing? Our government is already pouring billions into Fannie and Freddie and it hasn’t made a difference yet. Wouldn’t something like this actually make a difference? And wouldn’t it put a boost in the economy and make people feel better about owning homes?
Well, what do you think?
Tom Vanderwell
Despite Low Mortgage Rates, Homeowners Can’t Refinance
Published: Saturday, 12 Dec 2009 | 5:31 PM ET
By: David Streitfeld
The New York Times
Mortgage rates in the United States have dropped to their lowest levels since the 1940s, thanks to a trillion-dollar intervention by the federal government.
Yet the banks that once handed out home loans freely are imposing such stringent requirements that many homeowners who might want to refinance are effectively locked out.
The scarcity of credit not only hurts homeowners but also has broad economic repercussions at a time when consumer spending and employment are showing modest signs of improvement, hinting at a recovery after two years of recession.
Ken brand says:
Smart, creative and universally helpful. I’ll be interested to see how other big brained readers respond.
Thanks.
December 14, 2009 — 8:58 am
Michael Cook says:
I have been trying to refinance my mortgage(s) for a while now and still nothing. I have the high credit score and 13% equity, but since I live in jumbo loan territory there have been no takers. It has definitely made me reconsider whether its better to have one jumbo mortgage or a conforming first and a second. Two loans from two different banks makes a refinance almost impossible.
December 14, 2009 — 10:43 am
Jeff Brown says:
Nobody can say you haven’t added to the solution side of this mess.
With such a huge portion of the lender pie being tainted by directly conflicting agendas, I think most solutions run into the age old conundrum — How do you un-ring a bell?
December 14, 2009 — 2:37 pm
Sean Purcell says:
Interesting post Tom. I applaud your desire to help others but, as with all such desires that look to government help, I end up with more questions than answers. I’ll start with just one: In your solution everyone who currently has a mortgage gets to partake in this largesse. What about those of us who have already lost our home? Do we not deserve the same level of compassion? Do we not, in fact, deserve more? After all, we’ve already experienced the pain and heartache that those you propose to help only worry about. What about those of us who were prudent enough to pay off our mortgage. Isn’t it enough that our taxes subsidize the greed, sloth, crime and/or stupidity of others’ actions on a daily basis. Must we now subsidize their housing as well?
In other words, it’s bad enough our money is taken from us – whether by tax or by debasement of the currency – and used against our very interests in the form of government intervention in the private market. Should this fiscal rape be compounded by such gratuitous logic as: “Let’s help some who’ve not earned it (but not others who’ve not earned it) and let’s not help any who have earned it (although we would like them to pay for it).”
December 14, 2009 — 2:57 pm
Gary LeFevere says:
I believe a free market should be a free market, with NO government involvement. Certainly many will feel the hurt and suffer the pain of lost homes and bad credit. Housing values will fall, and those of us who have played by the rules, and can afford it will be able to buy many of those reduced home prices, then resell them at a profit. Some of us who make profits may then form a business that will create jobs for those needing work, who can then afford to buy a house.
Hopefully they will have learned a lesson and not buy over their heads.
“A Government that will allow the freedom to fail will also allow the freedom to succeed”
December 14, 2009 — 4:46 pm
Tom Vanderwell says:
Ken – thank you. I’ll be interested to see what more of the BHB’ers think.
Michael – you’re exactly right. I have close to $7 million worth of past customers sitting over an 80% LTV on jumbos that I could rewrite tomorrow if the rules above $417,000 were the same as they are below $417K.
Jeff – it’s not so much a question of how do you unring a bell, as it is, how do you deaden the sound of the ringing bell so that it doesn’t give everyone within 50 miles a @$%#$#$% migraine.
Sean – let’s use a medical analogy – the patients that you are referring to are already dead. I’m attempting to perform triage and keep as many of the wounded alive as possible. Yes, life sucks some times.
Gary – you’ll get no argument from me about free markets, but we are not in anywhere near close to a free market right now. It was already a subsidized market and now it’s a completely government managed mess.
This is by far the nastiest situation I’ve seen our markets in in the 22 years I’ve been around this business. I’m just trying to follow the advice that my first boss in the business gave me. She said:
“Don’t come to me with problems, come to me with solutions.”
There is no perfect answer, but I’d like to think that something like this has a chance to work better than our President sitting down with the Wall St. big boys and saying, “Please lend more money!”
Tom
December 14, 2009 — 6:57 pm
Sean Purcell says:
I love the advice your first boss gave you and I agree with you that you’re at least trying to come up with something innovative.
But to continue your analogy: The patients I’m referring to are not dead. They’re just sitting out in the “recovery” room. You see, they were all part of the same drunk driving accident. Difference is: the government surgeon came in late so these first patients just have stumps where their limbs were. They want to know why they’re going to be hobbling the rest of their lives while these late arrivals from the same pile-up are getting nice expensive limb replacements. BTW, the guy out on the street passing by the clinic – the one who was careful not to drink and drive in the first place – he wants to know why you’re dragging him into the clinic and amputating some of his limbs for these transplants. One last comment on the whole mess: do you know why the government surgeon showed up late? Cuz he was the one hosting the damn party and pouring the booze before all these people decided to get on the road!
I guess that’s more of a Halloween story than a Chistmas story. Sorry ’bout that.
December 14, 2009 — 7:24 pm
Ashlee says:
Great post and I applaude you for trying to come up with ways to help us all out of this mess we call mortgages.
December 14, 2009 — 7:46 pm
James Boyer says:
Very good ideas Tom, Something a little more creative needs to be done. Something also needs to be done to get the banks to start lending to small businesses again also though. Part of the reason we are likely to see a jobless recovery is because of the banks, who caused this who problem to start with!!
December 15, 2009 — 9:46 am
Paul Dunn says:
I am not sure exactly how you “fix” it (maybe do principal reductions), but what is going on now is not doing the trick. Saxon received more than $800,000,000 from the Feds for loan modifications and have done about 30. Indy Mac received about the same amount and has done zero…
December 16, 2009 — 6:49 am